gbaji wrote:
Elinda wrote:
gbaji wrote:
Can you show that the rate of poverty has decreased as the rate of public assistance has increased? And when I speak of poverty, I'm not including the benefits granted by the programs themselves. We want to know whether the programs increased the number of people who need them, so we need to look at the whole number.
I can certainly show that the numbers of individuals and families receiving welfare benefits has decreased dramatically since TANF was enacted and also that welfare services have successfully helped the dependent to independence. Just check the statistics on the TANF page.
Really? Like
this chart?
Well no, well kinda. TANF was a complete overhaul of the past AFDC in 97. So it doesn't reflect the current system at all really, except you can see the numbers decreasing at the end of the chart. They continue to decrease - significantly like by half, and then it levels off in the last few years and even rises a bit again toward the more recent. I imagine in response to the economy - think 2008 data is what's charted historically. Like I said, welfare in the form of aid to needy families is not your culprit in big spending - it's medicaid.
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The issue is not about just each individual. It's the effect on the whole population over time. For every one person who is helped out and able to get out of poverty because of a program like this, 1.x more people join the program. The effect over time is negative. We're creating more poverty than we're eliminating.
You're right, it's not about individuals. I realize it's much more fundamental than that. I believe that our government is the most unbiased, just, transparent way to insure adequate distribution of basic life necessities. You don't.
edit; insure ensure...bleh
Edited, Jun 24th 2009 5:18am by Elinda