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The sad thing is you really think you were being clever.


Bush 2 trillion in 8 years

Obama tripled that in less than 6 months and plans even more.

Not to mention the obvious but the alternate choice wasn't exactly a captain of industry himself. Unless you consider "career politician" an industry.

Edited, Jun 27th 2009 5:38pm by Jophiel

I was hoping for Rudy.

Seriously and Im not kidding im not a Republican.

Im not a Democrat either

My beliefs do not all fall into one party line. (And Im guessing the majority of people are like this)

I am a Fiscal Conservative and I believe in personal responsibilty. I fall to right on crime and punishment with the exception of drug crimes because I think it is beyond stupid to spend billions on non violent drug offenders that should be given help not jail time.

I don't believe in abortion unless the mothers life is at risk

I believe that homsexuals should be allowed to marry and enjoy the same benifits that hetrosexual couples do.

I don't believe in man made global warming

And I am on both sides on alot of other "party" issues

As you can see I don't fit in fully with either side so alot of times when I vote I vote for the lesser of 2 evils. So even though I did not like him I voted for MCain because despite the fact that the media was in love with Obama (And you cannot honestly tell me that they were not openly pulling for him)I knew enough about Obama that to me made him the greater "evil"

Edited, Jun 27th 2009 8:39pm by ThiefX

Yeah it is kinda funny the Republican field was beyond weak in 08, but yet either one of them was more qualified than a community organizer.

Yup. "W" really screwed up the economy. I'd give him a pass for the post 9/11 economic shenanigans if the surplus he inherited hadn't been spent before 9/11.

Then he got distracted & largely ignored the economy until it took a crap on him.

Well, he did cut taxes for the rich & give me $600. I did like the $600.



'K. Obama is trying to fix the mess he inherited while the other side screams "Foul!" & cheats on their wives. You might not agree with his methods, but I'm a firm supporter in "trying to fix it" as opposed to "do nothing & hope for the best".



A community Organizer with a BA from Columbia & Juris Doctor from Harvard.

Ya, that's right, he's a Doctor of Law to boot.

1. I apologize to gbaji for making an assumption that he was a Christian. That really was a slap in the face to practicing Christians everywhere. My bad.

2. I do not recall saying "ZOMG pay everyone $20/hour!!!!". While I am all for a free market economy, an unrestricted free market leads to abuse of workers by employers. Perhaps you should read a bit of history. In particular, read about Ford Motors in the 30's and Eastern US coal mining company practices. If you want to check into that and respond by telling us all that hiring thugs to kill your employees and/or keeping them permanently indebted to the company is good for business, then I don't know what to say to you except that you are a horrid person.

3. While the dollar amount that folks are being paid has gone up for 30 years, the actual buying power of their money has dropped over the same time period. Do you see where this might create problems for the average Joe?

4. You and Thiefx (whoever the hell that is) seem to proceeding from an assumption that everyone is in great health and is fully capable of doing any job out there. This is obviously not the case. The same can be said for the assumption that everyone is college material. Again, not so.

5. I'm curious as to your position on health care. I'll use myself as an example. I have worked steadily for 25 years. Only in the last 2 years have I made less than $8/hour. I went from being very healthy to a state where I am 1)In a great deal of pain 2)Have seizures 3)Lose conciousness 4)Losing my sight and 5)Fall down or drop things I'm carrying. I have no health insurance. I should just die? Rot until I'm in a chair and go blind? I can't get into see a neurologist because without insurance they want pay up front. For the record I am only just now applying for aid which I may not even get.

6. I'm not lazy. I'm broke. Did I mention that I don't get full time anymore because the NPO I work for isn't getting the donations it used to get? Due to my health I am unhireable by pretty much anyone else. Believe me, I've tried.

7.

You lumped my in with these two? Thanks!!! Because, y'know they are thinking people and you are clearly the product of massive doses of propoganda and a pitifuly small amount of research.

8.You two keep on yakking away about how socialized medicine will just ruin the country. The current state of health care financing is abysmal and unsustainable. How about you two come up with an alternative that

a. covers more people and is
b. less expensive

I mean, if you know what's wrong you should be able to tell us what the fix is, right?

I'm not going to argue with you, ill let W do it for me.



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W disagrees with you. Also, Craig Steiner is an idiot.


No, I'm not trying to be funny. I do find the fact that the GOP, the party of family values, has lost two potential Presidential candidates in, what, like two weeks, hilarious though.

And Barney was never "caught soliciting a hooker". He had a relationship with one though.



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And he admitted it, during a time when the GOP was in charge, & got off with a slap on the wrist.

AS for the pork you mentioned, I'm not a big fan of it either. But, that's how things are done in Washington. It hasn't changed nor will it, despite Dr. President Obama's campaign slogan.

I believe "public school" is American for state school.

Unless I misunderstood something here.

You have no idea how sad and petty and butthurt that makes you sound. I love it when folks say that... you can see them in your mind's eye just kicking at the dirt and shoving out their lower lip.

"He won because... because... he TRICKED people! Yeah! He musta made everyone think he was like JESUS and stuff! Yeah! THAT'S why he beat the other guy! It was BRAINWASHING!!"

I love it. It's exactly that sort of petulant immaturity that'll guarantee Democratic wins going forward.

Just an exercise: Compare the DMV with the Auto Club.

Now compare the USPS (post office) with FEDEX,DHL,UPS etc, etc, etc,

Now compare GOVT EDU. with private, for profit schools.

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okay can anyone realistically say a GOVT run program as immense & complex as Health care can be effectively run by a huge, non-profit oriented beaurocracy ?

I can walk into the AAA office, be treated well, accomplish MANY more things, much easier, including complex itineraries involving multiple reservations,inspections, AND smog & Registration.....

The USPS has done so horribly, they have CREATED numerous, huge, high income, high profit private entities that do the SAME thing as them !

Why is it commonplace to place a higher value on private education than public UNIV. ? is it due to many reasons ?

Like higher paid Proffesors & staff ? does it show a higher commitment by the student ?

Now consider the collapsing Ponzi scheme that is Social Security ?

ALL of the factors that are causing its collapse were in existance & predictable at its inception. (Population & mortality trends etc)

As a matter of fact, the idea that no basic actuarials were applied & figured in is borderline criminal to me (if an Insurance co. collects premiums with no thought to actually paying benefits it IS A CRIME)

The idea that we can create a "Kinder, gentler," health care system is very attractive... I dont think anyone likes the consequence of catastophic injury or disease.

I have been affected by this myself (my mother died of Leukemia many years ago)
however, dis-insentiveising Research & Treatment is not the answer, & the idea that we will lower costs by creating a huge GOVT prog. to handle is not very realistic.

The only way this would be possible is with mandatory compensation caps & profit caps on Rx.... telling Dr's where & what they can practice/specialize in etc.... & yes, that is socialism.

Maybe plumbers & electricians shold also be capped so everyone can afford them.

Maybe Shaq should be capped because no-one will pay as much to watch a WBA game
(very unfair to wimmins) Maybe Farrah Fawcett & MJ shoulda' been capped......

/sarcasm

discuss:

Last time I went to the DMV, I was in and out in five minutes with a new license in hand. When I was a kid I remember waiting long boring hours in line with my parents, but as an adult I've never experienced it.

Here in Manitoba we have gov't car insurance. Our premiums and payments are among the lowest anywhere. When you get in an accident, it's immediately settled without any court costs as there are no competing companies to try and sue each other. When they run a surplus everyone gets rebates on their insurance next year. Government run things can be absolutely fantastic and far better then the private alternatives.