What acts constitutes sex and how do you lose your virginityFollow

Alyssa in Chasing Amy: "Fucking is not limited to penetration, Banky. For me it describes any sex, when it's not totally about love. I don't love Kim, but I'll fuck her." I cant find the other line but she also says that "Losing your virginity involves penetration, but not all penetration has to be physical. Emotional penetration can be just as deep".

Thanks to Kevin Smith for making that movie so I could try to quote him.

So if, as some of you say, the only way for a women to lose her virginity is for the hymen to break, what about if it breaks from a non sexual act? Could you lose your virginity from being in a car accident where your hymen is ruptured?

My personal opinion has always been, You dont lose your virginity, it's something you give away. If you happen to be in a 3 way then I guess its first come first served. Pun intended.

Edited, Jun 15th 2009 9:32pm by Dyadem

Maybe not but research has found that teenagers in abstinence only education programs are increasingly engaging in **** sex to preserve their chastity without protection. I suggest that someone makes a Purity **** Ring for those who only engage in **** and are pure, washed in the blood of the Lord.

You're conflating two different things. Those who promote abstinence only education believe that there is a value to abstinence and virginity beyond just avoiding the physiological consequences of sexual activity. Again. Unless you can produce evidence that they're promoting the use of oral or **** sex as an alternative to vaginal sex, then it's not the abstinence education that is causing this.

I'm quite sure they're teaching the kids to abstain from all kinds of sex, not just vaginal sex. The fact that there is some other additional value placed on virginity among the same sorts of people who support abstinence only education shouldn't be conflated into some kind of "But they're just teaching them to remain ****** virgins, and that's why they're all switching to ****" argument...



Ok. I'll go a step further (as I did above). I'm quite certain that abstinence education does not limit itself to teaching kids to abstain only from vaginal sex. Presenting this as though these programs are teaching kids that it's ok to do "everything but" having vaginal intercourse is a gross miss-characterization of the issue.

I happen to think that abstinence only education is a bad idea. But that doesn't mean it's ok to make up stuff about what is taught, the motivations for the education itself, or spin off into some other anti-religious tirade in order to make your position stronger than it is.

I'm not defending their position. I'm pointing out the flaws in the attacks against their position. Those are two different things.



So it's ok to hope for a clean environment, but not one where people respect their own bodies? Isn't this really about picking a position first, and then disagreeing with the objectives of those on the other side based on that?

As much as my hedonistic self opposes the idea of this, it's hard to argue against the fact that if every single person abstained from sex until they married, and never had sex outside of marriage, we would eliminate all (ok, most) STDs within a generation. And we'd have far less poverty to boot. We may dismiss that as unrealistic given human nature, but it's more than absurd to argue that it's just plain "wrong" across the board. It's absolutely right.


The problem with abstinence education isn't the idea or the goal. It's the implementation and adoption. Let's at least acknowledge that much...



We hang a lot of things on abstractions. But we tend to pick and choose which abstractions we oppose based on a set of criteria which has very little to do with the specifics of the abstraction in question.

I'd consider that any modern, enlightened person should see it as an absurd and meaningless construct.


Also a somewhat absurd construct, albeit less so. I'd consider it any physical stimulation of genitalia, or possibly physical stimulation of other body parts if the goal includes ******.

Conservative is not equal to "Puritan". I think most people would be shocked at how far off most conservatives are from the stereotypes that get bandied about.

cuz itz dum

Its probably the same people who lump "liberal" in with "pothead" or "hippie".

Men, or Women? For a man losing his virginity I believe it's societies perception that just sticking his **** in another humans hole is losing his virginity. You can argue that then Oral sex would be sex, and indeed in some states (such as North Dakota) Oral Sex is indeed enough of a sexual act that it would qualify. For a woman, again societies perception is that she is no longer a virgin when her hymen breaks. That poses more questions. Does it only count if its from sexual penetration? If she is forcibly raped? What if she is old enough that her hymen has broken on her own (AKA having your period, since you dont get a period until there is a tear in the hymen). What if the woman in question is above 30 and her hymen has naturally deteriorated? Or if she has had any uteran surgery where they had to remove it? Does that mean she lost it to a scalpel?

Can women become virgins again through science? They've replaced hymens on women so that their new husband/lover/etc can get that 'first time' feeling. So do they lose it twice?

Edited, Jun 15th 2009 11:24pm by Dyadem

Frottage

Which I would prefer to sticking my **** inside an **** anyway

Edited, Jun 16th 2009 12:25am by Pensive

It conveys about as much as grade school graduations.

Frottage cheese!