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What acts constitutes sex and how do you lose your virginityFollow

#1 Jun 15 2009 at 3:30 PM Rating: Good
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I was listening to Dan Savage who was talking about how the religious right has preached abstinence only education to religious young people, many of whom have been incredibly heteronormative and literal and do everything but vaginal intercourse. They do ****. Seriously. Oral. But not vaginal intercourse b/c filling your other orifices isn't quite the same as filling the ******.

So I'd ask you, in a Bill Clintonesque fashion, what would you consider losing your virginity and what would you consider sex?
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#2 Jun 15 2009 at 3:36 PM Rating: Excellent
I would consider **** sex, but not oral.

I guess for guys losing their virginity is **** (give or take)/vaginal but for girls is vaginal, as the hymen would be broken.

Edited, Jun 15th 2009 7:37pm by Galkaman
#3 Jun 15 2009 at 3:38 PM Rating: Good
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I would consider **** sex, but not oral.

I guess for guys losing their virginity is **** (give or take)/vaginal but for girls is vaginal, as the hymen would be broken.

Edited, Jun 15th 2009 7:37pm by Galkaman


My hymen was already broken when I first had sex.
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#4 Jun 15 2009 at 3:40 PM Rating: Decent
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Galkaman wrote:
I would consider **** sex, but not oral.

I guess for guys losing their virginity is **** (give or take)/vaginal but for girls is vaginal, as the hymen would be broken.

Edited, Jun 15th 2009 7:37pm by Galkaman


My hymen was already broken when I first had sex.
If I'm right, the hymen can be broken when inserting tampons, right?

Gays guys would probably be considered to have lost their virginity when they have either ****** or been *******
#5 Jun 15 2009 at 3:45 PM Rating: Good
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I would also say, in my tired way, I never got why people think that virginity in adults is a virtue or a curse, depending on how they view sex and I think that has alot to do with how we magically consider vaginal intercourse something distinctive from all other sexual acts.
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#6 Jun 15 2009 at 3:46 PM Rating: Good
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You are really a virgin until you've been fisted past the wrist.
#7 Jun 15 2009 at 3:55 PM Rating: Decent
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#8 Jun 15 2009 at 4:02 PM Rating: Good
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Eh, people are going to define virginity differently, just let them decide what they think counts as losing it Smiley: nod

my views: ****/virginal, oral is more foreplay to me.

And I consider sex to be everything from 'getting warmed up' foreplay to the end of what ever sexual act your partaking in.
#9 Jun 15 2009 at 4:05 PM Rating: Excellent
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Heterosexually, I consider losing your virginity to require a ***** within a ******. I'm just a traditionalist that way. For homosexuals, they can decide that for themselves.

As for "What's sex?", it's a question of context, I guess. If the question is "Mr. President, did you have sex with that woman?" then I'd count anything from manual stimulation on up the chain. If the question is "Are babies made by having sex?" then the answer involves a ***** in a ******.
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Warchief Annabella wrote:
I was listening to Dan Savage who was talking about how the religious right has preached abstinence only education to religious young people, many of whom have been incredibly heteronormative and literal and do everything but vaginal intercourse. They do ****. Seriously. Oral. But not vaginal intercourse b/c filling your other orifices isn't quite the same as filling the ******.


It's kinda contextual though, isn't it? If the objective is to prevent unwanted pregnancies, then there's nothing wrong with focusing on vaginal penetration as the big "no no" to abstain from. There's also nothing wrong with the abstinence being targeted in a "heteronormative" manner either...

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So I'd ask you, in a Bill Clintonesque fashion, what would you consider losing your virginity and what would you consider sex?


I think there's a difference between what constitutes losing your virginity, versus what constitutes "having sex". Most people assume losing one's virginity involve penetration of the ****** with the *****. Obviously, that's in the context of a heterosexual relationship. Um... But that's typically what virginity signifies. If we just want to expand it to mean any sort of sexual activity, then a hand job might be sufficient. I just think it kinda loses it's relevance outside of that context...


But, if we are to do so, I think it's about doing something beyond just petting within whatever sexual context is involved. In a broad (and perhaps easy rule of thumb), one could look at how undressed one gets when looking at non-traditional sexual encounters. Most lesbians I know look back to their first time getting fully naked on a bed/couch/rug and spending quality time with another woman as their virginity-loss experience. Kissing and petting is one thing, but that's considered the "whole thing" in terms of sexual experience.


As to what "sex" is? I'd say any sort of contact involving parts of the body we don't normally allow you to interact with in public. So, kissing is not sex, but a hand job is. So, basically, anything involving contact under or without clothing is "sex" IMO.
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As to what "sex" is? I'd say any sort of contact involving parts of the body we don't normally allow you to interact with in public. So, kissing is not sex, but a hand job is. So, basically, anything involving contact under or without clothing is "sex" IMO.


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#12 Jun 15 2009 at 4:27 PM Rating: Excellent
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As to what "sex" is? I'd say any sort of contact involving parts of the body we don't normally allow you to interact with in public. So, kissing is not sex, but a hand job is. So, basically, anything involving contact under or without clothing is "sex" IMO.


ITT: gjabi furiously argues that he has had "sex" before.


I bet he plays BDSM games where the D stands for Democrat.
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#13 Jun 15 2009 at 4:33 PM Rating: Excellent
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I bet he plays BDSM games where the D stands for Democrat.


You tease! ;)
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#14 Jun 15 2009 at 4:50 PM Rating: Good
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Gratz Anna! Your thread made it for a full hour before it got moved. I know you're used to ones with more staying power but it's still an accomplishment.

Edited, Jun 15th 2009 8:50pm by Shaowstrike
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#15 Jun 15 2009 at 4:57 PM Rating: Good
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#16 Jun 15 2009 at 5:00 PM Rating: Good
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Gratz Anna! Your thread made it for a full hour before it got moved. I know you're used to ones with more staying power but it's still an accomplishment.

Edited, Jun 15th 2009 8:50pm by Shaowstrike


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Gratz Anna! Your thread made it for a full hour before it got moved.
The admins popped Anna's thread-movement cherry.
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#18 Jun 15 2009 at 5:35 PM Rating: Good
For a heterosexual guy- vaginal/**** penetration.
**** guy- **** (penetrater or penetrate-e.)
Straight girl - vaginal/**** penetration.
Lesbian - idk...Fisting?


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#19 Jun 15 2009 at 5:39 PM Rating: Good
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It's kinda contextual though, isn't it? If the objective is to prevent unwanted pregnancies, then there's nothing wrong with focusing on vaginal penetration as the big "no no" to abstain from. There's also nothing wrong with the abstinence being targeted in a "heteronormative" manner either...


I thought the purpose of abstinence was to prevent pregnancy AND STIs.
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A topic of this nature is more appropriate in here where linguistic restrictions shall not interfere with the flow of dialogue. That and I don't have to babysit it as much.
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It's kinda contextual though, isn't it? If the objective is to prevent unwanted pregnancies, then there's nothing wrong with focusing on vaginal penetration as the big "no no" to abstain from. There's also nothing wrong with the abstinence being targeted in a "heteronormative" manner either...


I thought the purpose of abstinence was to prevent pregnancy AND STIs.


It's not like those programs are teaching kids to use **** or oral sex as an alternative to vaginal or anything. I was looking at a broader historical meaning of "virginity", and how abstinence applies to that. Since I don't know the exact context of the source for the OP, it's kinda hard to determine what the focus is.

I'd also be cautious taking someone like Dan Savage's word on how Religious folks think or act. There's a bit of spin there. If you want to know what abstinence supporters are doing or what they want to do, it might be more useful to ask them rather than take the word of a guy who opposes their position. Just a thought.
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#22 Jun 15 2009 at 5:58 PM Rating: Good
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My hymen was already broken when I first had sex.
If I'm right, the hymen can be broken when inserting tampons, right?


I lost mine at the age of nine when the neighborhood bully decided to play chicken with me on our bikes and ran me off the road and into a concrete retaining wall lining a ditch. I came down hard on the bar of the bicycle and bled for a couple days. Girls who ride horseback often lose theirs as well. Any number of incidents can break the hymen; I couldn't consider it indicative of virginity at all.
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I was listening to Dan Savage who was talking about how the religious right has preached abstinence only education to religious young people, many of whom have been incredibly heteronormative and literal and do everything but vaginal intercourse. They do ****. Seriously. Oral. But not vaginal intercourse b/c filling your other orifices isn't quite the same as filling the ******.


It's kinda contextual though, isn't it? If the objective is to prevent unwanted pregnancies, then there's nothing wrong with focusing on vaginal penetration as the big "no no" to abstain from. There's also nothing wrong with the abstinence being targeted in a "heteronormative" manner either...


Except, of course, that the objective behind abstinence-only education isn't to prevent pregnancy, it's to preserve "virginity" for the sake of laying claim to some sort of moral superiority. The big push to avoid vaginal intercourse for the sake of preserving "virginity" leads to ignorant kids performing unprotected oral and **** and thus transmitting STDs, which is arguably a worse evil than pregnancy.


Edited, Jun 15th 2009 7:08pm by Ambrya
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But, mostly, you can keep STDs a secret. Pregnancy on a teen is a little harder to hide.
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But, mostly, you can keep STDs a secret. Pregnancy on a teen is a little harder to hide.


Oh, sure, who cares if you end up dying or infertile, so long as your reputation is pure.
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Except, of course, that the objective behind abstinence-only education isn't to prevent pregnancy, it's to preserve "virginity."


Um... Yes. Hence, the traditional association with virginity and vaginal intercourse... It only fails to make sense if you're using a non-traditional meaning of virginity.


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The big push to avoid vaginal intercourse for the sake of preserving "virginity" leads to ignorant kids performing unprotected oral and **** and thus transmitting STDs, which is arguably a worse evil than pregnancy.


That's a different issue (but a valid one). My point was that there's nothing inconsistent about this if one maintains the traditional meaning of virginity.
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