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That and I'll take my chances with the democrats, despite their issues. At least I know they won't introduce and support amendments to specifically deny me rights which is worse than doing nothing.

Meh. The Republican Politicians aren't going to do that either. If anything, they are less likely to make an amendment banning gay marriage, than Democrats are to make an amendment allowing gay marriage (An already abysmally low chance at that)

Neither side cares enough about homosexuals to do anything one way or the other. Politicians consider us so unimportant that they cannot take the effort to support or deny us. It's too much work, especially when homosexuals and homophobes are so easily manipulated to get free votes in elections.

Edited, Jun 14th 2009 7:00pm by Karelyn

Not on the national level. Passing a constitutional amendment is a lot more difficult to do for the US Constitution than it is for a State Constitution.

On the national level they threatening to ban it. Same as Democrats promise to legalize it.

Both chuckle to themselves as Republicans get the homophobe vote, and the Democrats get the homosexual vote, and then both go about their ways... fully planning to use the exact same technique the next election to get same voters in their pockets, with absolutely no intent to actually enact a change.

Both parties are playing us and the homophobes, as utter morons.

Edited, Jun 14th 2009 7:09pm by Karelyn

*shrug* And who made it a state issue?

It's not like the Federal Government hasn't been taking over responsibilities of the State Governments, since... well, pretty much since George Washington left office.

Not that I approve of a more powerful Federal Government and a weaker State Government... But it's not like the Federal Government doesn't have a ridiculously large number of legislative tools at their disposal to forcibly or coercively make it a Federal issue. They might not be able to force every State to legalize gay marriage, but they darn well could force most of the States to do so.

What you don't realise, Anna, is that you're being played - for a fool, no less. You know the stereotype of bisexuals all being players? Well, it looks like the players have become the played.

Man, you say that now, but just think of all the mischief they'd have got up to without their Northern betters watching over them.

You say that like I'm a Republican. I abandoned the party long ago. Nowadays, if I need to name a party that I associate with, I generally say Libertarians.

Republicans hardly are conservative any more. The Republican Congress and Bush's ridiculous spending and expansion of federal power made that obvious.

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As for how can they force states to legalize gay marriage? The Supreme Court has already upheld a ruling that says that Congress may withhold federal funds in pursuit of national policies.

A well documented example of the Federal Government using this technique to force States to do something was with regards to the underage purchase of alcohol. To pull a quote from lolwiki... "The National Minimum Drinking Age Act of 1984 states that highway funding will be withheld from states that allow the purchase of alcohol by anyone under the age of 21. "

Did they force every state to adhere to that standard? Yes. Did every state also ban underaged drinking? No, but a very large portion went ahead and did it (to varying extents) at the same time for simplicity's sake.

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Would it be the perfect solution? No. Is it something that the current Congress could get passed within a week if they wanted to? Probably. Would at least 20 States legalize homosexual marriage before the end of the year? Almost certainly. Would more follow in the upcoming years? Definitely.

More importantly... Would the current congress do it? Hell no. Would the current congress do it even if the didn't have to use such a technique because it was already a Federal, not a State issue? Hell no.

And that's where I get really pissed off at both major parties.

Edited, Jun 14th 2009 7:46pm by Karelyn

I've still got it.

Not a Republican. I'm a Conservative.

And hell, I've said it repeatedly. Republican politicians are hardly conservative anymore. Which is ultimately a major part of the OP's quoted poll regarding their low approval rating. The other part being their repeated pandering to the christian fundamentalist vote.


Oh whoopty freaking do! A holiday! What an utter joke. I hope you weren't being serious in thinking that is significant.

Just wow... a holiday... Talk about getting the booby prize.

I spit upon Obama's Pride holiday. It's disgusting that he would mock GLBT people like that. How about something of substance? You know... like that marriage thing Democrats have been promising for quite a while now?

If Obama and the Democratic Congress does a single thing of substance for the GLBT community before Republicans gain control of one of the presidency, house or senate again... Well... Um... Frankly I'd probably die of a heart attack.

And redundantly. Tsk.

This is the funniest thing I've seen today, and I just watched Dogma. Does that speak ill of the movie or of your intellectual capacity? I'll leave that as an exercise to the reader.



Don't think this is an attitude reserved for low/no self produced income groups.



There are more types of economic systems than capitalism, socialism and the hybridization of the two.

Nah, Dogma's funny, but your sense of humor is just too warped refined :-P

The "people in the news" were the Republican and Democratic parties. There was no mystery list of names.

Edited, Jun 15th 2009 3:51pm by Jophiel