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#1 Jun 10 2009 at 9:42 PM Rating: Excellent
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Our volcano can beat up your volcano!

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20227124.700-supervolcano-may-be-brewing-beneath-mount-st-helens.html

IS A supervolcano brewing beneath Mount St Helens? Peering under the volcano has revealed what may be an extraordinarily large zone of semi-molten rock, which would be capable of feeding a giant eruption.

Magma can be detected with a technique called magnetotellurics, which builds up a picture of what lies underground by measuring fluctuations in electric and magnetic fields at the surface. The fields fluctuate in response to electric currents travelling below the surface, induced by lightning storms and other phenomena. The currents are stronger when magma is present, since it is a better conductor than solid rock.

Graham Hill of GNS Science, an earth and nuclear science institute in Wellington, New Zealand, led a team that set up magnetotelluric sensors around Mount St Helens in Washington state, which erupted with force in 1980. The measurements revealed a column of conductive material that extends downward from the volcano. About 15 kilometres below the surface, the relatively narrow column appears to connect to a much bigger zone of conductive material.

The column below Mount St Helens appears to connect to a huge zone of conductive material
This larger zone was first identified in the 1980s by another magnetotelluric survey, and was found to extend all the way to beneath Mount Rainier 70 kilometres to the north-east, and Mount Adams 50 kilometres to the east. It was thought to be a zone of wet sediment, water being a good electrical conductor.

However, since the new measurements show an apparent conduit connecting this conductive zone to Mount St Helens - which was undergoing a minor eruption of semi-molten material at the time the measurements were made - Hill and his colleagues now think the conductive material is more likely to be a semi-molten mixture. Its conductivity is not high enough for it to be pure magma, Hill says, so it is more likely to be a mixture of solid and molten rock.

Gary Egbert of Oregon State University in Corvallis, who is a magnetotellurics specialist but not a member of Hill's team, is cautious about the idea of a nascent supervolcano where Mount St Helens sits. "It seems likely that there's some partial melt down there," given that it is a volcanic area, he says. "But part of the conductivity is probably just water."

If the structure beneath the three volcanoes is indeed a vast bubble of partially molten rock, it would be comparable in size to the biggest magma chambers ever discovered, such as the one below Yellowstone National Park.

Every few hundred thousand years, such chambers can erupt as so-called supervolcanoes - the Yellowstone one did so about 640,000 years ago. These enormous eruptions can spew enough sunlight-blocking ash into the atmosphere to cool the climate by several degrees Celsius.

Could Mount St Helens erupt like this? "A really big, big eruption is possible if it is one of those big systems like Yellowstone," Hill says. "I don't think it will be tomorrow, but I couldn't try to predict when it would happen."

Further measurements probing the structure of the crust beneath the other volcanoes in the area could help determine if the zone connects to them all, Hill says. He presented his team's results on 27 May at the Joint Assembly geophysics meeting in Toronto, Canada.
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#2 Jun 10 2009 at 11:54 PM Rating: Excellent
We KNOW yellowstone is a supervolcano. Your article is mere speculation so far. Smiley: schooled
#3 Jun 11 2009 at 12:23 AM Rating: Excellent
Also, I'm fairly certain Yellowstone is predicted to erupt any day now.

Granted, it's any day now in the next 100K years or something, but in geological terms that's like next week.

Edited, Jun 11th 2009 4:29am by Omegavegeta
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#4 Jun 11 2009 at 3:26 AM Rating: Good
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Other countries are adding to the amount of nuclear weapons, and you brag on a volcano. How sad. Go make some cookies or something, stop trying to pad your post count so you can beat Elne Clare to 25k post.
#5 Jun 11 2009 at 4:25 AM Rating: Decent
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He presented his team's results on 27 May at the Joint Assembly geophysics meeting in Toronto, Canada.


Bet that'll be a whizz.
#6 Jun 11 2009 at 4:36 AM Rating: Good
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#7 Jun 11 2009 at 5:30 AM Rating: Decent
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Other countries are adding to the amount of nuclear weapons, and you brag on a volcano. How sad. Go make some cookies or something, stop trying to pad your post count so you can beat Elne Clare to 25k post


Humanity already has enough nukes to turn the planet into a barren and lifeless rock, so i really couldn't care less about other countries getting nukes. Nuclear war is innevitable, the question is who gets the first shot off.
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Already got a nuke. Now i'm working on a better death ray delivery platform.
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#9 Jun 11 2009 at 9:51 AM Rating: Decent
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Other countries are adding to the amount of nuclear weapons, and you brag on a volcano. How sad. Go make some cookies or something, stop trying to pad your post count so you can beat Elne Clare to 25k post


Humanity already has enough nukes to turn the planet into a barren and lifeless rock, so i really couldn't care less about other countries getting nukes. Nuclear war is innevitable, the question is who gets the first shot off.


One of these super volcanoes has a potential force that dwarfs the combined military force of the entire world. Nuclear war can be avoided, quite easily I might add since anyone with the capability isn't stupid enough to use them these days. An erupting super volcano is about as unstoppable as it gets.
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Already got a nuke. Now i'm working on a better death ray delivery platform.


I think this is supposed to be a metaphor for something.
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#11 Jun 11 2009 at 10:08 AM Rating: Good
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One of these super volcanoes has a potential force that dwarfs the combined military force of the entire world. Nuclear war can be avoided, quite easily I might add since anyone with the capability isn't stupid enough to use them these days. An erupting super volcano is about as unstoppable as it gets.


A collision with a trampoline is more energetic than a collision with a bullet. Guess which is more harmful?

I mean, I wouldn't call nuclear war inevitable, but detonating nukes around the world would be far more deadly than yellowstone erupting.
#12 Jun 11 2009 at 10:31 AM Rating: Decent
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detonating nukes around the world would be far more deadly than yellowstone erupting.


In the short term, maybe.

http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2009/05/28/volcano-mass-extinction.html

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Carbon from a massive volcanic eruption caused a mass extinction on Earth 260 million years ago, according to a new study. It's the first definitive link between a volcano and extinction.


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Compared to some of the largest volcanic cataclysms in geologic history -- called Large Igneous Provinces (LIP)s -- Emeishan is small; its lavas cover "only" around 250,000 square kilometers (96,526 square miles), an area about the size of Colorado.


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"Every crisis in the past 300 million years coincides with a LIP eruption," Wignall said. "So there's clearly some connection."


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Researchers suspect that the Siberian Traps eruption, which occurred just 10 million years later, was responsible for the Permian-Triassic extinction, the worst mass dying of all time. And though they agree that the huge eruptions disrupted climate, views are split over whether it was global warming from the excess carbon, or global cooling from large amounts of sulfur dioxide (SO2), that did the killing.


Super volcanoes are definitely more dangerous than our current nuclear capabilities. In addition to the permian triassic extinction mentioned in the article, there is a growing number of scientists who believe the dinosaur extinction was not caused by the meteor strike alone, but due to worldwide volcanic eruptions triggered by the blast.

Edited, Jun 11th 2009 1:31pm by BrownDuck
#13 Jun 11 2009 at 10:36 AM Rating: Excellent
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Other countries are adding to the amount of nuclear weapons, and you brag on a volcano. How sad. Go make some cookies or something, stop trying to pad your post count so you can beat Elne Clare to 25k post.


Since you already got the nuke, I thing you should go bake me some more Smiley: cookie.

Making Smiley: cookie are far better then trying to have enough nuclear weapons to send us back to the stone age.Smiley: dnp

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#14 Jun 11 2009 at 11:14 AM Rating: Good
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Super volcanoes are definitely more dangerous than our current nuclear capabilities.


It's a silly comparison, because we don't want to cause life to cease, save perhaps on monday mornings. We have the ability to create powerful enough nukes to destroy all human life on the planet if we wanted, though. Not that that'd be the most efficient way to do it. Anyway, the permian triassic, which is pretty much worst case scenario, happened over at least a few hundred thousand years (estimates go up to six million, if I recall). Unless we do kill ourselves off, I would sincerely hope that we'd have been able to solve the problem long before it ran its course.
#15 Jun 14 2009 at 3:46 AM Rating: Good
If it is true about Mt. Saint Helens, then the US has 2 Super volcanoes... That is just freaky and what are the odds on two super volcanoes on the same continent???

Edited, Jun 14th 2009 6:47am by SimpleMajority
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The SimpleMajority of Doom wrote:
If it is true about Mt. Saint Helens, then the US has 2 Super volcanoes... That is just freaky and what are the odds on two super volcanoes on the same continent???

Edited, Jun 14th 2009 6:47am by SimpleMajority


Not that freaky since they are probably connected to the same plates/fault lines.
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#17 Jun 14 2009 at 5:07 AM Rating: Good
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Zaikimaliki the Vile wrote:
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Other countries are adding to the amount of nuclear weapons, and you brag on a volcano. How sad. Go make some cookies or something, stop trying to pad your post count so you can beat Elne Clare to 25k post


Humanity already has enough nukes to turn the planet into a barren and lifeless rock, so i really couldn't care less about other countries getting nukes. Nuclear war is innevitable, the question is who gets the first shot off.


One of these super volcanoes has a potential force that dwarfs the combined military force of the entire world. Nuclear war can be avoided, quite easily I might add since anyone with the capability isn't stupid enough to use them these days. An erupting super volcano is about as unstoppable as it gets.



Just FYI, we technically are still at war with North Korea, we just agreed to stop shooting at each other. NK seems unstable enough to shoot a nuke at someone, and with global relations the way they are right now, it wouldn't take much to start WW3 (which will probably turn into a nuclear war).

Edited, Jun 14th 2009 9:08am by Zaikimaliki
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Zaikimaliki the Vile wrote:
Just FYI, we technically are still at war with North Korea, we just agreed to stop shooting at each other. NK seems unstable enough to shoot a nuke at someone, and with global relations the way they are right now, it wouldn't take much to start WW3 (which will probably turn into a nuclear war).


NK isn't capable of shooting a nuke at anyone. They can barely set one off in a controlled environment. A world war started now wouldn't last long, and nukes are about the least tactically useful weapon in existence.
#19 Jun 15 2009 at 10:53 AM Rating: Decent
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The SimpleMajority of Doom wrote:
If it is true about Mt. Saint Helens, then the US has 2 Super volcanoes... That is just freaky and what are the odds on two super volcanoes on the same continent???

Not that freaky since they are probably connected to the same plates/fault lines.

I thought the Yellowstone supervolcano was the result of a "hotspot" and not in the vicinity of any major faultlines or plate boundaries? Similar to the situation that is responsible for Hawaii.
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#20 Jun 15 2009 at 11:07 AM Rating: Decent
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TirithRR wrote:
The SimpleMajority of Doom wrote:
If it is true about Mt. Saint Helens, then the US has 2 Super volcanoes... That is just freaky and what are the odds on two super volcanoes on the same continent???

Not that freaky since they are probably connected to the same plates/fault lines.

I thought the Yellowstone supervolcano was the result of a "hotspot" and not in the vicinity of any major faultlines or plate boundaries? Similar to the situation that is responsible for Hawaii.


It is. Tirith was just making an uneducated guess. Smiley: nod
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Debalic wrote:
TirithRR wrote:
The SimpleMajority of Doom wrote:
If it is true about Mt. Saint Helens, then the US has 2 Super volcanoes... That is just freaky and what are the odds on two super volcanoes on the same continent???

Not that freaky since they are probably connected to the same plates/fault lines.

I thought the Yellowstone supervolcano was the result of a "hotspot" and not in the vicinity of any major faultlines or plate boundaries? Similar to the situation that is responsible for Hawaii.


It is. Tirith was just making an uneducated guess. Smiley: nod


It's why I said probably, and not that they definitely were. Smiley: frown

(I figured since they were relatively close to each other, that it didn't surprise me if St. Helens turns out to be a super volcano.)
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#22 Jun 15 2009 at 2:55 PM Rating: Decent
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It may very well be a supervolcano, but born by a different process.

As I mentioned, the hotspots of Hawaii and Yellowstone are thin/weak points of the crust in the middle of a plate where the magma bubbles up from the mantle. Mt. St. H and the other volcanoes in the Pac NoWe are on a rift/faultline which is where most normal volcanoes form. This group just happens to have an extra-large magma chamber underneath, possibly connecting them all in a giant MIRV grenade-like effect.

I am a big Discovery/Science/NatGeo channel geology/earth-science junkie...
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