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Hitler was a Freeper. Word is truth.

I found my new favorite website.

Makes me wonder why the Republicans don't have a hand in the mainstream media.

Obviously conservatives hate Jews so much because they monopolize good humor.

What I couldn't understand was why they had an issue with that, but accepted a comedy show doing the news without blinking an eye. You said yourself that it was the "Fox News version of the Daily Show", right? Why is it ok to get news on a comedy channel, but not ok to get comedy on a news channel?

I think you meant to say "Why is it ok to mock the news in a comedic manner on a comedy channel, but not ok to get comedy on a news channel?"

EDIT: Damn you, baelnic!


Edited, Jun 10th 2009 8:52pm by CBD

Exactly.

A whole lot of people certainly do seem to form their political and current event opinions based on things they heard on TDS. Stewart is famous for making very strong political arguments and when called on them falling back on his old "Hey! My show follows one with talking hand puppets!" defense.

It's kind of like Bill Maher claiming the same thing (without the puppets of course). That somehow he's just a comedian and no one should take him seriously, except for all the people who do of course...

To Allegory's post? Ok. Maybe I should have quoted just the first half of the paragraph to be a bit more clear, but I assumed most readers would be able to noodle out via contextual clues what I was talking about...



I was talking about Bill Maher in that particular statement, and he's on HBO I believe. And it's not about taking them "seriously". It's about taking what they say and using it to form opinions. I'd argue that our politics suffers from too much "comedy" in the process in fact. The tactic seems to be to get comedians to make fun of the other side so as to convince people that the "other side" is wrong about their position. Thus, you don't have to argue your's, just denigrate the other guy. And since it's being done by comedians, you never have to defend against counter statements. Cause they're just making jokes, right?


Whether this is a good trend or not is a subject for another day. I just recall being a little surprised that those who so clearly have adopted this as a valid political debating tactic seemed really up in arms about some guys who weren't expressing strictly liberal talking points doing the same thing.

Ali G interviewed quite a few important politicians too, Al.

We've already been over this in the previous thread. I just wanted to know if that Fox News show had more than a pilot.

Ali G is entirely satire. Stewart is not. This is why even though the Colbert Report and Daily Show have very similar formats, that I don't consider Colbert to presenting as much news as Stewart. Colbert is constantly in character.

Because South Park never takes itself seriously. South Park is entirely satire.

I'm not sure I understand what you mean. The show obviously demonstrates clear and very serious opinions about political issues.

I was talking about Bill Maher in that particular statement, and he's on HBO I believe. And it's not about taking them "seriously". It's about taking what they say and using it to form opinions. I'd argue that our politics suffers from too much "comedy" in the process in fact. The tactic seems to be to get comedians to make fun of the other side so as to convince people that the "other side" is wrong about their position.


Not at all, comedy is about pointing out the obvious. Stewart telling Tucker Carlson that he's a douche for wearing a bow tie at 40 years old is only funny because it's so obviously true.


Thus, you don't have to argue your's, just denigrate the other guy. And since it's being done by comedians, you never have to defend against counter statements. Cause they're just making jokes, right?

No, just because it's funny. I find Limbaugh funny, but I assure you it hasn't moved my political positions. It's *entertainment*. Limbaugh is entertaining enough for me listen to in the car when I drive to wherever for lunch, someone like Hannity or O'Riley wouldn't be. Neither would Noam or Howard Zinn or Karl Marx if he were around be amusing enough for me to bother listening to. People that find politics funny generally allready have clearly formed political views or the jokes wouldn't work.

Mostly. The difference is that the individual who portrays Ali G is always a satirist, whereas Jon Stewart is only often a satirist. Stewart has given serious interviews--though yes still with a few jokes, interviews which could have easily been broadcasted on any conventional news network without seeming out of place.

The Daily Show does mostly news comedy, but occasionally it crosses into the territory of comedic news. There is comedy for the sake of comedy and there is comedy as merely a delivery method for actual news. Ali G is entirely for the sake of comedy, if there is any to be had there.

Edited, Jun 12th 2009 4:07am by Allegory

I believe there's segments on YouTube if you feel you have sins you need to atone for.