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#127 Jun 15 2009 at 5:05 AM Rating: Excellent
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Morganne, Star Breaker wrote:
Yup, your American alright, closed of ignorance at anything that may be a criticism of your nation and its armed forces.

Lets try and make this simpler, if possible for you Locke because I get the feeling your a little...ummm.....slow?

America + Nuclear Weapons\Weapons of any sort = Nervous allied forces and governemnts.

WHY?

Because your repeatedly shooting at friendly troops.

There you go, got it now? figured it out or are you still stuck on 2 + 2? (psssst it's 4 apparently).


I like Americans, dont get me wrong, your all warm and sensible and want World Peace, trouble is, just like England your a country in decline with even bigger problems than us. In fact the obescity problem alone is way bigger than ours. Gun violence, drug problems, crime problems, an armed forces clontinually linked with atrocious behaviour, a failing economy, pollution that will kill the world quicker, selling arms to countries that really should not be given guns etc etc etc. Like I say though, England is just as sucky and dumb.


Yeah, all of this doesn't explain the really REALLY weird explanation you gave before. I could care less about your point; your post before just made no sense at all. That was the crux of the argument.

And yes, we routinely fire nukes at friendly troops. I like my allies with a healthy green glow.
#128 Jun 15 2009 at 5:40 AM Rating: Excellent
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oh and feel free to trot out the whole "We saved your *** in WWII thing, point is, like a glory hunter the US joined in at the end of the war when the glory was there for the taking.
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#129 Jun 15 2009 at 5:57 AM Rating: Excellent
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Jophiel wrote:
Morganne, Star Breaker wrote:
oh and feel free to trot out the whole "We saved your *** in WWII thing, point is, like a glory hunter the US joined in at the end of the war when the glory was there for the taking.
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They were totally winning, Joph.

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#130 Jun 15 2009 at 6:13 AM Rating: Good
People from outside the US who talk about America's problems really have no clue how big this country really is, I think.

90% of the problems I face here in Georgia don't exist 100 miles north or south of me.
#131 Jun 15 2009 at 7:19 AM Rating: Good
Morganne, Star Breaker wrote:
oh and feel free to trot out the whole "We saved your *** in WWII thing, point is, like a glory hunter the US joined in at the end of the war when the glory was there for the taking.


Yeah, the glory of having 18 year olds kids dying on a beach in Normandy to free a piece of land they'd probably never heard of before. I can totally see how that would make them glory-hunters...


Edited, Jun 15th 2009 3:20pm by RedPhoenixxx
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#132 Jun 15 2009 at 7:20 AM Rating: Excellent
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Smiley: laugh

Yeah, it's a bit like me presuming to analyze China's domestic problems. I mean, I was there once for a few days; that makes me an expert, right?

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#133 Jun 15 2009 at 7:32 AM Rating: Good
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Morganne, Star Breaker wrote:
your American alright
Grammar fail!
Morganne, Star Breaker wrote:
Because your repeatedly shooting at friendly troops.
If you're going to do it once you might as well not stop there, right?

Man and here I thought it was always the Brits giving the Americans shit for butchering the language.




Edited, Jun 15th 2009 10:35am by bsphil
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#134 Jun 15 2009 at 8:55 AM Rating: Decent
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So British persons, what is your opinion of Mr. Starbreaker?
#135 Jun 15 2009 at 9:17 AM Rating: Excellent
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Pensive the Ludicrous wrote:
So British persons, what is your opinion of Mr. Starbreaker?
An moran who seems to live in a different UK to the rest of us, and makes the same, ill-informed comments about the USA.

And I suspect that it may be a Ms, Mrs, Miss or Tailmon, rather than a Mr.
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#136 Jun 15 2009 at 11:38 AM Rating: Good
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They were totally winning, Joph.


The reversal in 1943 had very little to do with American troops, who did very little fighting in 1942. Africa was already won by Nov 42 in all but name, decisive victories at Kursk and Stalingrad were due to Russia, American supplies and Britain's efforts in diverting the luftwaffe and German resources. The only place where America really helped turn the tide was the Battle of the Atlantic, although that was at the very best a 50/50 with Britain and Canada, considering that all of the crucial inventions were British (centrimetric radar, HFDF, Collosus, hedgehog bombs, leigh lights), enigma was captured and deciphered by the British, the Bismarck was sunk by the British (leading to an end to any attempt at surface raiding) and British loaned escorts protected American convoys. The main role of American forces was to bridge the mid atlantic gap with the liberator aircraft and in providing escorts, although that was only really true in the last couple of months. By the time American forces entered the war in earnest, it was already won. America did make a very large economic contribution, but the American army only hastened Germany's defeat. D-day was important in ensuring that France and a bit of Germany remained alligned with the west. Defeating Germany? Not so much.

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#137 Jun 15 2009 at 11:41 AM Rating: Excellent
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Morganne, Star Breaker wrote:
"We saved your *** in WWII"
As every historian from WS Churchill to R Starkie will tell you - they did.

FUckin' dolt.
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#138 Jun 15 2009 at 11:47 AM Rating: Good
It's true, they did. But Russia did, too. I guess you could say that doesn't count because they were dirty commies only doing it because they got invaded.
#139 Jun 15 2009 at 11:53 AM Rating: Excellent
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Kavekk wrote:
The reversal in 1943 had very little to do with American troops
Even if this were true, it completely discounts the role Lend/Lease played in the conflict.

Also, I don't know of any modern history of WWII which dismisses the sacrifice of the Russians but I suppose a strawman argument is better than no argument at all.
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#140 Jun 15 2009 at 11:56 AM Rating: Good
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Kavekk wrote:
It's true, they did. But Russia did, too. I guess you could say that doesn't count because they were dirty commies only doing it because they got invaded.
Don't discount the contribution of USAF in the attrition bombings of ze Chermans. While our brave lads bombed by nights, the septics were flying missions in broad daylight.

And yes, USSR had an impact, but that was more down to Hitler's crappy eastern front tactic than USSR's benevolence.

USA had a choice whether to help us. Ivan didn't.
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#141 Jun 15 2009 at 12:06 PM Rating: Good
Jophiel wrote:
Kavekk wrote:
The reversal in 1943 had very little to do with American troops
Even if this were true, it completely discounts the role Lend/Lease played in the conflict.

Also, I don't know of any modern history of WWII which dismisses the sacrifice of the Russians but I suppose a strawman argument is better than no argument at all.


I know. Notice I wa talking very specifically about the military, and acknowledged lend/lease, which was certainly vital to Britain remaining in the war.

A great deal of modern history books underplay the role of the Russians in WWII.

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Don't discount the contribution of USAF in the attrition bombings of ze Chermans. While our brave lads bombed by nights, the septics were flying missions in broad daylight.


True, but unless I am mistaken (which is quite possible) they didn't carry out the crucial bombings of synthetic oil plants until '44. I was kind of hoping to avoid discussing the impact of civilian bombing and such, considering how divided the two camps are.
#142 Jun 15 2009 at 12:07 PM Rating: Excellent
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Nobby wrote:
While our brave lads bombed by nights, the septics were flying missions in broad daylight.


America: convinced of our own invincibility since 1776.

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#143 Jun 15 2009 at 12:15 PM Rating: Excellent
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Kavekk wrote:
I know. Notice I wa talking very specifically about the military, and acknowledged lend/lease, which was certainly vital to Britain remaining in the war.
Morganne's comment was pretty obviously that the US didn't "save" Britain during WWII, doing nothing until the war was effectively over. Even if the only thing the US had done was Lend/Lease, it had a large impact on the direction of the war.
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#144 Jun 15 2009 at 12:19 PM Rating: Good
Jophiel wrote:
Kavekk wrote:
I know. Notice I wa talking very specifically about the military, and acknowledged lend/lease, which was certainly vital to Britain remaining in the war.
Morganne's comment was pretty obviously that the US didn't "save" Britain during WWII, doing nothing until the war was effectively over. Even if the only thing the US had done was Lend/Lease, it had a large impact on the direction of the war.


Yeah.

I'm not sure how you got the impression I was agreeing with or defending Morganne. I have standards, you know.

To clarify, I interepreted "they were winning, you know" as meaning before the US joined militarily (with that being the change implied to have stopped B and R losing).

Edited, Jun 15th 2009 8:22pm by Kavekk
#145 Jun 15 2009 at 12:26 PM Rating: Good
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And I suspect that it may be a Ms, Mrs, Miss or Tailmon, rather than a Mr.
No. These posts are filled with the clunky thougtlessness of a mama-spoiled lad.

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#146 Jun 15 2009 at 12:35 PM Rating: Excellent
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Kavekk wrote:
To clarify, I interepreted "they were winning, you know" as meaning before the US joined militarily (with that being the change implied to have stopped B and R losing).


As my minion, you are expected to know the deeper meanings behind my throwaway snarks. Smiley: mad

I was just pokin' fun of Morganne the Paranoid Android, really.

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#147 Jun 15 2009 at 1:51 PM Rating: Good
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Kavekk wrote:
To clarify, I interepreted "they were winning, you know" as meaning before the US joined militarily (with that being the change implied to have stopped B and R losing).


As my minion, you are expected to know the deeper meanings behind my throwaway snarks. Smiley: mad

I was just pokin' fun of Morganne the Paranoid Android, really.


It was Nobby's fault, really.
#148 Jun 15 2009 at 1:53 PM Rating: Good
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Kavekk wrote:
Samira wrote:
Kavekk wrote:
To clarify, I interepreted "they were winning, you know" as meaning before the US joined militarily (with that being the change implied to have stopped B and R losing).


As my minion, you are expected to know the deeper meanings behind my throwaway snarks. Smiley: mad

I was just pokin' fun of Morganne the Paranoid Android, really.


It was Nobby's fault, really.
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#150 Jun 16 2009 at 8:36 AM Rating: Excellent
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I've never actually posted here before, but I was just browsing and saw the name Publius Varrus. I'm a graduate student in Classics (Greek and Latin). Publius Varus is probably the biggest military failure in all of Roman History. At least the OP seems to have chosen his user name appropriately.

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I've never actually posted here before, but I was just browsing and saw the name Publius Varrus. I'm a graduate student in Classics (Greek and Latin). Publius Varus is probably the biggest military failure in all of Roman History. At least the OP seems to have chosen his user name appropriately.
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