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Sure, let's just say that's true.

Then he proved his birth status to the satisfaction of the liberal democrats who stood to gain from his election who were also the people tasked with examining such things and rendering a verdict on them. That's all that matters.

If I take my dog in to get pedigreed and the kennel club says it's a basset hound, I can wail and shake my fist and cry and call them liberals or conservatives or communists all I want. It doesn't matter. In the eyes of the people whose opinion does matter, it's a basset hound.

That's the question I'd like answered as well. If he wasn't born in Hawaii, then where do you imagine he was born? Where did his mother, having just given birth, smuggle him in from?

"Obama isn't a born citizen of the United States"
"9/11 was an inside job"
"There was a second shooter on JFK's assassination"

Conspiracy theories. They aren't really worth listening to, for more than a laugh.

I feel like we've been through that before.



What we need is a crack team to break into the Hawaiian Department of Health offices under the cover of night and figure out what country they're a birth certificate repository for. My guess is Iraq or Somalia.

Edited, Jun 11th 2009 3:16pm by CBD

Did you just not read any of the posts I made? Heck. Did you just fail to read the very words you quoted?

Do you know what "natural born citizen" means? No one is questioning that he was born. No one is questioning his nationality or his citizenship. We are questioning whether he is a "natural born citizen" of the US. To qualify, due to the fact that his father was not a US citizen and his mother was too young to pass "natural born" citizenship to him unless he was born on US soil, it's incredibly relevant to establish not just that he was born, and not just that he possesses a Hawaiian Birth Certificate, but that the certificate in question clearly shows that he was born inside the state.



Because both of their parents were US citizens and thus it didn't matter where they were born? Because there was no reason to even suspect that both of them were born in the US? Because neither of them spent the first 10 years of their lives growing up in a foreign country?

Take your pick.

A more accurate comparison is McCain. Who was born in the Panama Canal zone. His birth certificate was scrutinized, and there were Senate hearings and court findings to establish if the conditions of his birth qualified him as a natural born citizen. Why did he go through this process, but not Barack Obama?



Er? No one is questioning his citizenship. I've said this a half dozen times.



There are additional legal codes which establish the precise definition of "natural born citizen". I can find them and quote them if you want, but can you please meet me halfway by realizing that this is more restrictive than just anyone who is a citizen?




None of which verify that he is a "natural born citizen". Get it? It's a qualification for the office he's currently holding and no one has actually bothered to determine if he meets it. All we're asking is that someone go and look at the original long form document which would answer this question and give us an answer. I don't think that's unreasonable at all...

Congress has the ability to call this into question as does the Electoral college. Both were presumably aware of the "controversy" of Obama's birthplace and neither saw reason to call it into question above and beyond the documentation the campaign provided.

In fact, you previously state......showing that you know full well that Congress has this ability if they see reason for it. Why McCain and not Obama? Maybe because there were no real questions about it within the Senate, ya think? Was I sleeping the afternoon some senator started requesting hearings on this? Did I miss the news conferences? Are you going to cry and blame it on scary Democrats who kept the stalwart GOP from raising the issue?

Or... maybe... just maybe... the Senate was already fully convinced that there was no question here to address.Unfortunately for you, the courts of US law have ultimately been uninterested in it every single time it has come up.

If you want to argue standing, the judge in the McCain case threw out the lawsuit because the plantiff didn't have standing (his "ruling" that McCain was a natural born citizen wasn't really his ruling as the case was a dismissal). You know who did have standing? Everyone who ran for president or vice-president in 2008. I suppose if only McCain, Romney, Huckabee, Clinton, Gravel, Biden, Palin, etc etc had only cared more about enforcing the Constitution, one of them might have brought this to court.

Edited, Jun 11th 2009 4:03pm by Jophiel

This is a false dilemma. Other Presidents (Jackson, Buchanan, Jefferson, Arthur, Hoover, and Wilson) have had at least one non-native parent. Of course none of them were black; and let's not kid ourselves, here. That's the real root of the problem.

Adding to my above, it's worth noting that McCain's case was that of the Senate saying "We know where you were born. Does your known place of birth disqualify you?"

The case Gbaji would have wanted addressed would have been "We don't know where you were born despite the presented evidence. Supply more evidence."

Those are two pretty different questions. No one was implying by way of the hearings that McCain was a liar or hiding information and trying to become president via false pretenses.

Edited, Jun 11th 2009 4:08pm by Jophiel

I'm actually a moderate. I probably would have voted republican in the last presidential election if they hadn't gone all crazy-christian on me in the last year or so leading up to the election.

But unlike many people on the right, I don't think the government should tell people how to live their lives. They should limit their interference in social aspects of society as well as economic. (Gays, Abortion, etc.) I'm against people living off the government, they should live for themselves, but I don't want my town filled with homeless. There are already half a dozen drunks that just bike around picking up soda bottles to return for booze money.

But unlike many people on the right, I don't think the government should tell people how to live their lives. They should limit their interference in social aspects of society as well as economic. (Gays, Abortion, etc.) I'm against people living off the government, they should live for themselves, but I don't want my town filled with homeless.

In the US this is called "a Democrat".

Which has fUCk all to do with his birth certificate.