gbaji wrote:
The problem is that the phrase "birth certificate" is commonly used, but in this case, the only certificate we have seen is a "Certification of Live Birth", which is not the same thing. In Hawaii at that time, those certifications were simply a record that the person existed and could be obtained by pretty much anyone.
The full long form Birth Certificate includes information such as the hospital where he was born, the signature of the doctor who delivered him, etc. The Certification of Live Birth only proves that Obama was born, is a real person, and his mother was residing in Hawaii at the time she applied for the Certification. To prove that Barack was actually born in the state of Hawaii, the actual long form Birth Certificate would be required and the contents would need to show that he was born in Hawaii and not simply declared to be living in Hawaii (both were "valid" at the time in question, but only one qualifies him to be President).
So far, the only statement about the long form document is that it exists. Which does not tell us what information it contains. What's suspiciously absent from every official statement from every person who has seen the long form document is a statement that the form verifies that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii. While I'm perfectly willing to acknowledge that this might just have been an oversight, I and a whole lot of other people would really feel a lot better if someone would simply certify this officially. No one yet has, and until they do, this matter will remain an issue.
They had a whole set of hearings to establish whether McCain was qualified to be President when he ran. Doesn't it seem even a bit strange that there hasn't been a single "official" determination on this? Just challenges and court rulings, but those aren't being made by people who've seen the long form document. The only official on the record statement we have is the one quoted earlier, which only states that a long form certificate exists. Why not go that extra step?...
And no. This issue is not over just because the latest round of legal challenges failed.
First point, please see: http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_5.jpg
When it says right on there "City, town or location of BIRTH" "Island of BIRTH" and "County of BIRTH" it pretty much says exactly where he was BORN. It is not "of current residence"... it is OF BIRTH. It is true that it does not have hospital name or the signature of the doctor who delivered, however. Not like it matters, as it still is a birth location (cue the "OMG, but you can't prove that they didn't LIE about the birth location from the short version!").
Second point:
FactCheck wrote:
The document is a "certification of birth," also known as a short-form birth certificate. The long form is drawn up by the hospital and includes additional information such as birth weight and parents' hometowns. The short form is printed by the state and draws from a database with fewer details. The Hawaii Department of Health's birth record request form does not give the option to request a photocopy of your long-form birth certificate, but their short form has enough information to be acceptable to the State Department. We tried to ask the Hawaii DOH why they only offer the short form, among other questions, but they have not given a response.
Because what they have done is sufficient? It is accepted by the State Department, has all the information that the government deems necessary. And that the courts deem necessary, since lawsuits about this keep getting dismissed.
Last point, ******* the health director of Hawaii, verifies that Obama was born in Hawaii.
http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/11/obama_hawaaianborn_citizen_for.html wrote:
Does this mean Obama was born in Hawaii?
"Yes," said Hawaii Health Department spokeswoman Janice Okubo, in both email and telephone interviews with the Tribune. "That's what Dr. ****** is saying."
I guess it's as the politifact.org article said:
Quote:
And there's the rub. It is possible that Obama conspired his way to the precipice of the world's biggest job, involving a vast network of people and government agencies over decades of lies. Anything's possible.
But step back and look at the overwhelming evidence to the contrary and your sense of what's reasonable has to take over.
