Cali Leading the Fight?Follow

Missed the "Great Post" debate... sorry.

I acknowledge opposing viewpoints, & try to communicate my reasoning maybe?

Fact: Legal employers cant compete in an underground economy, the friend I work with who is a contractor, has lost countless bids to people who use Illegals....& they are almost NEVER caught or punished.

This is especially true in a high-cost, highly litigous, highly regulated state like CA.

Some of the many results of this are : A. lower taxable income pool B. much of the money is sent out of the country. C. injuries handled at emergency room at taxpayer expense, rather than thru Co. benefits-workers Comp. etc....

Fact: LEGAL employers are required to pay "Prevailing Wage" due to Union Influence at many large jobs, especially GOVT. job sites.

Anecdotally, my 22 yr old son has received over $60 dollars an hour on jobs that he has worked on (hes a nice kid, but not very experienced) even he knows there is something wrong with this. For him this mainly happens on Military base jobs. Again, this only matters because his boss is complying with the law.

The number of entities whos HR budget is dictated by people like SEIU is legion
(I am a former dues paying, non-member) A recent Grand Jury report in our county stated "these agencies are the best at insuring they, and their funding, continue..while passing as many costs as possible on to third party payers"
In this report it was recomended that Several of the County Health Agencies,custodial services, etc be dismantled. (wasnt done)

I have lived from Santa Monica/Pacific Palisades to Arroyo Grande & currently in Ventura Co. & have seen personally people who paid more in Annual prop. tax than they paid for the house (prior to prop 13).

We have been riding on a crumbling infrastructure,with little investment for years & things are much worse than most know, but people are waking up apparently.

The "CA. State Joke" revolves around the shake-up, layoffs at CALTRANS when
someone invents a shovel that will stand up by itself.

So, I believe the Pendulum MUST swing to far the other way to hopefully end up with some sanity.

We have an extremely wealthy state where a lot of the Super Rich produce nothing tangible. And the exploited Illegals they profess to care about toil in the sun picking strawberries, avocados & such.

Would I personally pay more for my Avi's & berries to solve this ? absolutely !

Would my son work for less to solve it ? YUP !!

Would I pay more taxes if I thought it would help ? You Betcha !!

I already do tho, we took our kids out of public school several years ago & continue to pay for the 50% illiteracy rate of others (with some of the highest paid teachers in the country)

Think it was interesting that Arnold mentioned Public sector people retiring so early recently. The way we were heading, we would end up with an economy of super rich Elite who "Care", Public sector who retires at 40 with 100% income & more Illegals to do all the work....who gonna pay ? lol

So, we shall see, the pols have definately shown they will spend everything they are given with the lowest possible return this needs to change.

I've seen exactly the opposite effect you're seeing although there may be other factors at work.

I work for a large landscaping company (in Illinois) and our requirements to use union labor (and state prevailing wage on local gov't projects) makes it worthless for us to use illegal immigrant labor. When you're paying a set union wage and have guys from the AFL-CIO swinging by jobsites to check union cards, why would you complicate things by using guys who might get you in trouble with the federal government? Legal guys cost exactly as much. This is magnified for prevailing wage where you're required to submit certified payroll documents to the state. You've got guys making sure you're paying $35-60/hr so why would you pay that to someone without papers? The union/prev. wage requirements make it more likely that we'll hire someone with proper documentation.

Now, a couple things which may influence this. One, we're a large company and long moved past competing with Pickup Truck José & his three brothers. Likewise, the types of jobs we bid on aren't some woman's backyard where she needs a tree and a patio, they're large commercial/government buildings where you're not going to evade the unions. I'm sure if you're running a lawn mowing business out of your garage, things are different.

Edited, Jun 10th 2009 9:37am by Jophiel

Hawaii?

Edit: At least that's what his birth certificate says.

Edited, Jun 10th 2009 11:20am by LockeColeMA

Kenya!

I've got a genuine copy of his certificate of birth right here.




EDIT: It's satire, people. There is no state of Muslimchusettes. Obama was born in HI.

Edited, Jun 10th 2009 11:28am by Tzemesce

Tz,



Prove it.





LMAO...That's precious. We can't produce his birth certificate but the forgery seems pretty real.




Edited, Jun 10th 2009 2:51pm by publiusvarus

The birth certificate lawsuits seem to have dried up since the one judge told the plantiff's lawyer "Look, this guy is obviously retarded so he has an excuse. But you're his laywer and you should know better than to bring this stupid *** shit into my house. Give me a reason not to charge you for the entire court costs."

We don't, though. We've already established that in another thread. Obama is using the Constitution to keep his shoes from smudging the desk when he props his feet up on it.

Nope. All Hawaiian birth certificates are sealed without the express permission of the owner.

Obama is under no onus to show it to anyone at this point. The courts have already thrown out challenges regarding it and the Electoral College has determined that he meets the criteria and made him president. Anything past that is on someone else to prove that he was born elsewhere.

It is good though for listening to butthurt Pubbies throw a snit!

How does the political affiliation of the electoral college affect absolutely anything at all?

Joph,



For one he could end this conspiracy theory nonsense with one phone call.