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So you're a fat as*. I knew it!

I can attest that Joph is wafer thin.

Come on by, Smash. I make a great host.

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After saying how awesome it was where you live, this is perhaps the best comment ever.

And you hang out on a gaming site because...?

It's like watching a child trying to make prank calls and struggling with the concept of caller id.

Learn to read. I said that the courts have found that you don't have standing to bring it up. Even in March, when Obama was well and away the president and some dink tried the "I might get sent to war!" excuse as his "standing", the courts not only shot him down but threatened his lawyer for bringing the dumb-*** case to court.Not to you. He has to the sufficent standard of plenty of others.Weren't you the one crying about how Congress investigated McCain and held hearings and everything but why oh why didn't they do this with Obama???

Wait. Lemme check.

Hrrmmm....

Yup, that was you.There's something they could have done. They chose not to. Presumably, they were well satisified with the evidence.

Which is not the same as proving that Obama is a natural born citizen. You see how one does not support the other, right? Dismissing a case on standing means that the case was never heard. Evidence was not submitted. Subpoenas were not filed, etc. It doesn't prove anything other than that a judge felt the plaintiff could not show sufficient cause to bring a suit.



Lol. You're holding up what appears to be one of the worst cases of misuse of judicial power in recent memory as an example? The judge didn't hear the case. He didn't see a single piece of evidence. He dismissed the case without hearing it because he personally disagreed with the plaintiff's charge. Um... That's not how judges are supposed to do things. He didn't even bother to find a standing question. He just assumed that since "everyone" knew that Obama was born in Hawaii, it must be true, so there was no point in doing things like actually checking the records to make sure...

A horrible horrible ruling, indicative of the desperation some will go to in order to avoid an honest assessment of the facts. Really. All of this just to avoid looking at a single document? This doesn't make any sense at all.


Bad judges make bad rulings. This was one of them. The challenges will continue, and eventually it will get through to the Supreme Court. Everything going on right now is just delaying the inevitable. It's inconceivable to expect that a requirement in the constitution cannot be verified by any sort of judicial process. Of course this will get to the Supreme Court. One case is just one case Joph. There are many many others, and more will keep being filed until eventually the document(s) in question will be examined.


Not to you. He has to the sufficent standard of plenty of others.[/quote]

He has "proven" it only to the satisfaction of those who didn't question it in the first place Joph. That's a pretty low burden of proof, don't you think?

So if I'm sued, and me and my family all think that I didn't do anything wrong, that's sufficient proof to dismiss any lawsuit? I don't think so. You need to prove it to the satisfaction of those who disagree. At the very least, you need to let those who disagree have their day in court. Until then, nothing is proven.




Yes. But they can't do anything *now* Joph. Geez. They could have held a hearing to determine Obama's eligibility for the office, but they didn't. Once he's been sworn in, it's a little late to go back...


The only path remaining is in the courts. And now that he's in office, it will be much harder to dismiss cases on standing.




Lol. No. They're controlled by the same party which Obama belongs to, and could prevent any such hearings or even proposed hearings from appearing on the agenda. And no one's going to be willing to stick their political neck out for something that they know wont get any traction. Not because it isn't right, but because it will be blocked regardless of right or wrong.


Look. I'm not sure what you think you're arguing here Joph. The whole point of the courts in this context is as a means for the people to challenge laws and actions taken by the government. Arguing that since the legislative branch didn't take action that the courts shouldn't either is not just absurd, but flies in the face of centuries of judicial action.


What is the Supreme Court for, if not to allow redress to the people if they feel the other branches have failed to uphold the constitution? Whether the legislative branch could have acted is irrelevant when considering whether the judicial branch should.

Which is why the Supreme Court will eventually hear this case (several of them most likely, given there are at least three major types of challenges being made).


We can debate this among ourselves all we want. It will be heard. I'm just a bit amused at how vehemently people argue that it shouldn't. Since when is it some kind of threat to you even just to have a court hear a case you don't agree with? If you honestly feel that Obama was born in Hawaii, and are sure that his documentation will bear that out, then why on earth oppose this going to court? You literally have nothing to lose, right?

If it works its way through the courts for whatever reason (because I for one haven't heard any reason to question that he was, in fact, born in Hawaii except that certain bloggers wish it to not be so) then I have no problem with a court, any court with the authority to do so, ordering the record opened.

Should that happen, I guarantee you that a) those same bloggers will not be happy with the result and b) they will continue to insist that a conspiracy has been perpetrated, records changed or planted. Put money on the table, any amount you like.

It must suck to be represented by such pussies's. Joph's made this point before, listening to you and varrus the GOP really has no balls. you should really work on getting better people.

I'd be pretty pissed off at my representative if I were in your position.

vehemence? really? Most of us are just laughing at you. But keep on working on that persecution complex.

Edited, Jun 16th 2009 10:09pm by Xsarus