I wish this hadnt de-volved from a discussion of Fiscal realities into Obama bonafides.
He IS the MAN & hes doin stuff.
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Terrifyingspeed wrote:
I wish this hadnt de-volved from a discussion of Fiscal realities into Obama bonafides.
He IS the MAN & hes doin stuff.
He IS the MAN & hes doin stuff.
It's a fair point. We on the left let Bush & Co get away with a ton of **** because some of us couldn't face the fact that he was, indeed, in office - controversy notwithstanding.
My personal feeling is that this current "controversy" is made up of whole cloth. It's still a distraction when you all, and by that I mean conservatives as a whole, don't need any. Y'all need to be rebuilding and finding common ground, and some inspiring leaders who aren't lunatics.
My sympathies, having been there in the not too distant past.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
Samira wrote:
Terrifyingspeed wrote:
I wish this hadnt de-volved from a discussion of Fiscal realities into Obama bonafides.
He IS the MAN & hes doin stuff.
He IS the MAN & hes doin stuff.
It's a fair point. We on the left let Bush & Co get away with a ton of sh*t because some of us couldn't face the fact that he was, indeed, in office - controversy notwithstanding.
My personal feeling is that this current "controversy" is made up of whole cloth. It's still a distraction when you all, and by that I mean conservatives as a whole, don't need any. Y'all need to be rebuilding and finding common ground, and some inspiring leaders who aren't lunatics.
My sympathies, having been there in the not too distant past.
Nah. It's a whole lot easier and more satisfying to blame the other guy than it is to look at yourself. They don't want to see or admit to how bad shape they're in.
publiusvarus wrote:
we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.
Debalic wrote:
Nah. It's a whole lot easier and more satisfying to blame the other guy than it is to look at yourself. They don't want to see or admit to how bad shape they're in.
Yup. Apparently there's nothing wrong with the Republican party that a little urban slang wouldn't cure.
Don't know why, but what the heck?
I don't. But that's irrelevant. That's like a store clerk defending not carding someone buying liquor because he didn't know whether or not someone else had already carded him. If you don't know, you card the person, right? Heck. Even if someone else says they carded him, but you haven't, you card him, right?
Past claims and assumptions don't matter.
You're assuming that though. No amount of your assumption proves that he has. Maybe at every single step along the way, each person just assumed as you did that he must have already shown his birth certificate, so there's no need to check...
I'm just not sure how your assumption provides proof of a constitutional requirement. The burden should go the other way. I don't have to prove he's not a natural born citizen. He has to prove he is. So far, he has not done so. I just don't see how this is even a matter to debate.
Hawaii's own state government does not accept the form of certification Obama submitted as proof of being born in the state (there's a homestead status for people born in Hawaii which has more stringent requirements). It requires a copy of the full document. Yet we're supposed to accept this when it's the US presidency at stake? Why not just take a gander at the original document? Why is this even an issue?
CBD wrote:
Gbaji says that Obama might not be a natural born citizen because Obama never had to show his birth certificate to anyone in order to get on the ballot. I'm saying "Should this be true, how do you, gbaji, know that he, Obama, never showed his [Obama] birth certificate to get on a ballot beforehand?"
I don't. But that's irrelevant. That's like a store clerk defending not carding someone buying liquor because he didn't know whether or not someone else had already carded him. If you don't know, you card the person, right? Heck. Even if someone else says they carded him, but you haven't, you card him, right?
Past claims and assumptions don't matter.
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I would assume that one must prove they are a US citizen in order to run for many of the offices Obama has held. Presumably he [Obama] didn't apply to be a citizen, or that would have been found by now, so he [Obama] most likely showed his [Obama] birth certificate (really the only other way to prove citizenship) in order to get on the ballot.
You're assuming that though. No amount of your assumption proves that he has. Maybe at every single step along the way, each person just assumed as you did that he must have already shown his birth certificate, so there's no need to check...
I'm just not sure how your assumption provides proof of a constitutional requirement. The burden should go the other way. I don't have to prove he's not a natural born citizen. He has to prove he is. So far, he has not done so. I just don't see how this is even a matter to debate.
Hawaii's own state government does not accept the form of certification Obama submitted as proof of being born in the state (there's a homestead status for people born in Hawaii which has more stringent requirements). It requires a copy of the full document. Yet we're supposed to accept this when it's the US presidency at stake? Why not just take a gander at the original document? Why is this even an issue?
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
gbaji wrote:
He has to prove he is.
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So far, he has not done so.
If I were you, I'd write a letter to my Congressman, post haste.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
publiusvarus wrote:
Yeah he's "doin stuff", God awful stuff but hey at least he's doing something.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Jophiel,
Obama's america over 10% unemployment; change you can believe in.
Oh and you get to drive piece of sh*t govn hybrids while you're at it.
Obama's america over 10% unemployment; change you can believe in.
Oh and you get to drive piece of sh*t govn hybrids while you're at it.
Wah wah wah.
It cracks me up to think you'll be spending the next four years in these hysterics. Can we start making cute little terms like "Obama Derangement Syndrome" yet?
Yes we can!
It cracks me up to think you'll be spending the next four years in these hysterics. Can we start making cute little terms like "Obama Derangement Syndrome" yet?
Yes we can!
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
publiusvarus wrote:
Obama is f*cking you all up the as* and all you can say is give me more please.
Well, once you go black...
Jophed,
Hysterics? Wait until unemployment hits 15% then we'll see the hysterics. And it will hit 15% if Obama keeps going the way he is.
Hysterics? Wait until unemployment hits 15% then we'll see the hysterics. And it will hit 15% if Obama keeps going the way he is.
publiusvarus wrote:
And it will hit 15% if Obama keeps going the way he is.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Jophiel wrote:
publiusvarus wrote:
And it will hit 15% if Obama keeps going the way he is.
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Jophed,
We won't have to wait another year if the Dems force through this socialist health care reform.
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You'd better pray it does because you're going to really wear yourself out after screaming in impotent rage for eight years
We won't have to wait another year if the Dems force through this socialist health care reform.
publiusvarus wrote:
We won't have to wait another year if the Dems force through this socialist health care reform.
Edited, Jun 16th 2009 11:44am by Jophiel
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Considering people want healthcare, I think I'll get to be entertained by you for quite a while.
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Xarus,
fixed;
Then again most of you have no aspirations of running a successful growing business. Not to worry people like myself will continue to give preferrential treatment to attractive in shape non-smokers, which discounts most of you.
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Considering people want healthcare, I think I'll get to be entertained by you for quite a while.
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Considering people want someone else to pay for their healthcare
Then again most of you have no aspirations of running a successful growing business. Not to worry people like myself will continue to give preferrential treatment to attractive in shape non-smokers, which discounts most of you.
Well, damn. There goes my dreams of being an underpaid secretary in Hicksville, TN.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Knoxville is the home of the greatest college football program in the nation. Every saturday in fall/winter you can expect hundreds of thousands of people on the strip and in the stadium. Of course we don't have all the gangs and crime chicago does. And let me tell you about all those gorgeous college students 17-23 wearing next to nothing walking/sweating in 100 degree 100 humidity along with everyone else. Flash a few hundred and a freshly washed and waxed car like mine and see how much fun you can have. Yeah I know life is rough.
Edited, Jun 16th 2009 4:35pm by publiusvarus
Edited, Jun 16th 2009 4:35pm by publiusvarus
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publiusvarus wrote:
Knoxville is the home of the greatest college football program in the nation.
Got to play up what you've got, I guess: College football and shitty hot weather.
But apparently the sad & desperate can try to buy some college tail. Now I'm sold!
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Jophiel wrote:
Well, damn. There goes my dreams of being an underpaid secretary in Hicksville, TN.
Hicksville is in West Tennessee and has nothing to do with Virus.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
Jophed,
Who said buy sex? Only thing I buy are enough drinks to get her and her sorority friends really drunk. Then ask them if they want to go out on the boat. You'd be amazed at how quickly a drunk college girl comes out of her clothes on the lake.
Who said buy sex? Only thing I buy are enough drinks to get her and her sorority friends really drunk. Then ask them if they want to go out on the boat. You'd be amazed at how quickly a drunk college girl comes out of her clothes on the lake.
publiusvarus wrote:
Jophed,
Who said buy sex? Only thing I buy are enough drinks to get her and her sorority friends really drunk. Then ask them if they want to go out on the boat. You'd be amazed at how quickly a drunk college girl comes out of her clothes on the lake.
Who said buy sex? Only thing I buy are enough drinks to get her and her sorority friends really drunk. Then ask them if they want to go out on the boat. You'd be amazed at how quickly a drunk college girl comes out of her clothes on the lake.
Do they ever puke on you?
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