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#27 Jun 07 2009 at 9:39 PM Rating: Excellent
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"I'll fucking kill you!"

"Elvis, you wouldn't have the heart to do that."

"OH YEAH?!"



Hell, I want a heart transplant from a murderer right now. That'll learn 'em! Smiley: laugh

Edited, Jun 8th 2009 1:39am by Exodus
#28 Jun 07 2009 at 11:03 PM Rating: Excellent
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Having seen some evidence that throws forward the idea that recipients of donors hearts gain their donors traits and memories


This never happened, you fucking daft cunt.


True and False.

Both the heart and the stomach have secondary neural networks around them. These networks are not nearly as large or complicated as in the brain, but are sufficiently large enough that some parts of a person's emotional reactions are stored/run from there.

It is partly a real feeling, not just a metaphor, if you experience a devastating event like "a punch to the gut", or experience fear as a clenching around your heart and/or stomach, or feel an incredible lightness in your chest when you fall in love. It's not just your brain sending nervous system signals to these organs that have a physical effect on these organs that you can physically feel. It is actually partly electrical synaptic events happening and experienced in the neural network around these organs.

Scientists have credible evidence that some donor hearts in a very small minority of cases have come with enough neural network tissue that a small but significant (that is, noticeable) portion of the donor's tastes and interests as a person have come with it.

This phenomenon started to be tracked down after some heart recipients noticed such extreme taste changes in themselves after operations that they felt compelled to track down their donor's family and find out his/her history, and then took this information to their doctors and asked for explanations.

One recipient woman previously did not drink much, and she especially hated beer, and any hot-spicy foods. After her heart transplant, she craved beer and hot Mexican foods so much she switched to having them almost daily. Which turned out to be the favourite foods of her donor once she tracked him down.

An older (50's, 60's?) recipient male was a very ...um... working class male in his personality and tastes. He loved rock and metal music and hated classical and opera. Although long married, he was a very closed off man, who didn't talk about his emotions much. After his heart transplant, he loved classical music, and started buying and listening to it frequently. But the thing that freaked everyone out was that he started writing poetry. He'd never written a poem in his life, and suddenly he started writing several poems a week, many of them passionate love poems to his wife. His wife was delighted but startled, and he kinda was happy with his "new" self but also troubled, so they tracked down his donor.

Tragically, it was quite a young man who had died in an accident. He'd been a concert violinist and an amateur poet. Once the recipient family knew where these partial personality changes came from, they felt much more secure in just settling down and enjoying them.

Separately, there has been a long known phenomenon of a percentage of heart transplant patients becoming depressed immediately after their operations, and staying depressed for a couple of years afterwards. In light of these newer findings I would be interested if they could document if donors have a history of depression, and then track recipients and see if there are any correlations with which recipients suffer post transplant depression.

As for getting away with murder after receiving the heart tissue of a murderer? We all have to control our immoral impulses with our "better halves" anyway. I should expect and hope that people's brains can over-rule their hearts.

Edited, Jun 8th 2009 3:21am by Aripyanfar
#29 Jun 07 2009 at 11:56 PM Rating: Decent
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Aripyanfar wrote:
Both the heart and the stomach have secondary neural networks around them. These networks are not nearly as large or complicated as in the brain, but are sufficiently large enough that some parts of a person's emotional reactions are stored/run from there.


Which lends a whole new weight to the heart-as-emotional-centre metaphor. Still seems like ******** to me.

Anyway, murderer's heart, whatever. It's a pumping mechanism for my blood. Saying it would change my personality is like saying that you can make your axe sharper by replacing the handle. It may change my behaviour, because my heart would be of a different standard, but it wouldn't affect me.
#30 Jun 08 2009 at 4:54 AM Rating: Decent
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I'd take the murderer's heart and then I could go kill off all the annoying twids with the excuse that my heart made me do it. Smiley: rolleyes
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#31 Jun 08 2009 at 6:49 AM Rating: Good
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I would totally take a murderer's heart. I'd deal with any urges once I knew I would LIVE.

Besides, you can't say "my heart made me do it!" It's more like "my heart goaded me toward action, but I was the one who finally did it." It's not like the heart will stop if you don't kill o_O
#32 Jun 08 2009 at 7:49 AM Rating: Excellent
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I'd take it, but I totally wouldn't bury it under the floorboords in my bedroom, and wherever I did put it would be in a soundproof box, just in case...
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#33 Jun 08 2009 at 9:10 AM Rating: Decent
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Change of heart. hahahahahhahahahahahaha
#34 Jun 08 2009 at 10:06 AM Rating: Excellent
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Evidence that Gwyn is an gullible trollope #234


Gwyn - would you accept a ***** tranplant from an pederast?
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Evidence that Gwyn is an gullible trollope #234


Gwyn - would you accept a ***** tranplant from an pederast?


You know it's sad when I read a thread written by some Twits just to read Nobby's and Smashes responses to them.

I would take the Heart, but only as long as they murder for Dark Chocolate with Espresso Beans. No one comes between me and my Dark Chocolate and Espresso.

Darn I take a heart from Varus if his was a match and I needed one. Thankfully I love Okra, just not as much as My Dark Chocolate and Espresso Beans.


I did say those were my Dark Chocolate and Espresso Beans, now just walk away and you may get out of here alive.
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#37 Jun 08 2009 at 7:55 PM Rating: Excellent
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To bean or not to espresso beans that is the question. I just wait until you go into fiber fog, switch them out with an empty bag of peanut M&m's and say you had a weird dream again.
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#38 Jun 08 2009 at 7:56 PM Rating: Excellent
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And in a heartbeat i would
#39 Jun 08 2009 at 8:08 PM Rating: Decent
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And in a heartbeat i would


You're mom was a very smart lady. I should start charging you a piece of Dark Chocolate for every pun you make. The Espresso Beans would be nice too, but only for puns before 1pm. Insommia is only reason I didn't buy coffee from the Italian deli, when I got the almond macaroons.

BTW I out of de-caffinated soda again. Tomorrow we need to do a soda run.

(yes folk, we im each other even when our computers were side by side.)
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#40 Jun 09 2009 at 5:11 AM Rating: Excellent
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Of course I would, what an absurd question. To not would be to let the murderer win!

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#41 Jun 09 2009 at 6:25 AM Rating: Excellent
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Of course I would, what an absurd question. To not would be to let the murderer win!

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That sounds like something a murderer would say.

Don't take it to heart, though.
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#42 Jun 09 2009 at 6:52 AM Rating: Default
Personally, i'd rather die than have a major organic piece of a murderer implanted into me, simply because i do not want anything to do with such scum.
#43 Jun 09 2009 at 6:59 AM Rating: Excellent
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Sweet, another desperately needed organ for someone who deserves one.

Win-win.
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#44 Jun 09 2009 at 7:04 AM Rating: Good
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Remember when Homer became murderous after the hair transplant? I bet it'd be just like that.

Edited, Jun 9th 2009 11:04am by Annabella
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Personally, i'd rather die than have a major organic piece of a murderer implanted into me, simply because i do not want anything to do with such scum.


Well, aren't you a righteous one.
#46 Jun 09 2009 at 7:18 AM Rating: Decent
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I think he's being ironic.
#47 Jun 09 2009 at 7:29 AM Rating: Excellent
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Goggy wrote:
I think he's being ironic.


I dunno, he's said similar things before. Perhaps it's a generally ironic persona.

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#48 Jun 09 2009 at 7:30 AM Rating: Decent
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I think he's being ironic.


No i'm being serious.

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It's not that i'm being righteous, its that i dont want anything to do with someone who's making our society worse than it already is.
#49 Jun 09 2009 at 7:39 AM Rating: Good
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I say using a murderer's heart to save a life is making lemonade out of lemons!

Edited, Jun 9th 2009 11:43am by Annabella
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#50 Jun 09 2009 at 7:44 AM Rating: Good
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i dont want anything to do with someone who's making our society worse than it already is.


Would this include someone leaving their kids without a dad because they refuse a perfectly healthy heart transplant for some untenable moralistic *********
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#51 Jun 09 2009 at 7:47 AM Rating: Excellent
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I say using a murderer's heart to save a life is making lemonade out of lemons!

Edited, Jun 9th 2009 11:43am by Annabella


I liked the other way better.

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