Mob beats rape suspect until police arrive.
I can totally relate to the high emotions that run with this kind of thing. I can even understand wanting to cause the man pain or even kill him. Fantasizing about what you want to do to a rapist is understandable but carrying out physical violence against a man that might on the slightest chance be innocent? No. I applaud them for stopping him and summoning the police but the rest was over the line.
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Personally, while I can understand the high emotion, I still think they should have been charged - whatever the reasons behind it, it's still an assault, and life threatening injuries or not, is still not great behaviour.
That said, I also hope they all get a cut of the reward money - they did, after all, help the police get hold of him .
That said, I also hope they all get a cut of the reward money - they did, after all, help the police get hold of him .
The article fails to mention whether the man resisted. In the same vein, there is no video for us to judge the situation with our own eyes. It could be that the man fought back and the "beating" was an attempt to subdue him until police arrived, or it could be that the angry mob just let loose on the guy even after he was down.
Hard to say. I don't think they should be charged for helping bring a suspect into custody, however. As the police chief noted, the beating was not severe enough to be life threatening, and the crowd dispersed as soon as police arrived to take the man into custody.
Edited, Jun 4th 2009 3:17pm by BrownDuck
Hard to say. I don't think they should be charged for helping bring a suspect into custody, however. As the police chief noted, the beating was not severe enough to be life threatening, and the crowd dispersed as soon as police arrived to take the man into custody.
Edited, Jun 4th 2009 3:17pm by BrownDuck
They should have killed him.
now now varrus, try to repress your Neanderthal urges.
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Rapists should be violently executed publicly.
Before or after trial?
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we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.
Debo,
After; unless of course you catch them in the act.
After; unless of course you catch them in the act.
If they only used the force necessary to apprehend him and hold him, they're heroes. If they used a little more force than really necessary and didn't cause serious injury, no jury would convict them anyway. Charges would be a waste of tax dollars.
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Neither. It was a crime. The man was not even listed by the police as a suspect, merely as a person of interest whom they wanted to question. He was arrested on unrelated charges. He has not been charged with the rape of the 11 year old girl.
Anyone that thinks this is anything other than a lynch mob that got interrupted by the arrival of the police is an idiot (and not remarkably just about every idiot on this message board has chimed in with typically moronic 'shoulda oughta killed 'em' rhetoric, complete, I'm sure, with frothing at the mouth).
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(and not remarkably just about every idiot on this message board has chimed in with typically moronic 'shoulda oughta killed 'em' rhetoric, complete, I'm sure, with frothing at the mouth).
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Ramsey said investigators have very strong forensic evidence and witness identification placing Carrasquillo at the scene of the rape. He is also under investigation in connection with two other sexual assaults, Ramsey said.
I'd agree with Ahkuraj that there would be no point in charging the people with anything, as no jury would ever convict them. It probably would have been good to gather the people up and hold them in custody for a while when the police encountered the scene, just to avoid giving the impression that people should be vigilantes.
Edited, Jun 4th 2009 6:23pm by Xsarus
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It's still possible he was innocent, and the beating could have been much more severe. Mob justice doesn't work. Police and courts exist for a reason - to take responsibility for that **** out of people's hands. It's lucky for him that the injuries weren't life-threatening, and that the mob managed to contain itself once cops arrived. I can understand why the police didn't want to charge them, given that the case was extremely sensitive, but as a rule that kind of behaviour should be punished. It's too close to lynching to be tolerated.
Isn't it possible that virtually anyone could be implicated in a crime on purely circumstantial evidence? If I was falsely accused of rape, I'd want a chance to prove my innocence. I wouldn't want to be caught in the street and beaten with a stick by a dozen people.
If they'd beaten him to death and it turned out that he was innocent, how would the people feel? They'd feel pretty ****. The cathartic experience of vigilante revenge isn't worth the possibility that you might just be wrong. They're not the fucking Justice League. They're the cast of Neighbours.
Isn't it possible that virtually anyone could be implicated in a crime on purely circumstantial evidence? If I was falsely accused of rape, I'd want a chance to prove my innocence. I wouldn't want to be caught in the street and beaten with a stick by a dozen people.
If they'd beaten him to death and it turned out that he was innocent, how would the people feel? They'd feel pretty ****. The cathartic experience of vigilante revenge isn't worth the possibility that you might just be wrong. They're not the fucking Justice League. They're the cast of Neighbours.
The article fails to mention whether the man resisted.
Resisted what, idiot? Being beaten by an angry mob? Maybe you missed the part where the police showed up *after* the beating. You live in CA, so that's probably pretty confusing.
Charging them is a tough sell, most US laws are *very* liberal around the use of violence to apprehend fugitives, by both licensed or unlicensed individuals.
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Isn't it possible that virtually anyone could be implicated in a crime on purely circumstantial evidence? If I was falsely accused of rape, I'd want a chance to prove my innocence.
Then it'd probably be a good idea not to flee and have a warrant issued for you arrest, no?
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Then it'd probably be a good idea not to flee and have a warrant issued for you arrest, no?
I'll rephrase.
"If I was being chased by an angry lynch mob that was planning to beat the snot out of me regardless of whether or not I was actually guilty of any crime, I would run away from them."
I think it's every person's instinctive reaction to flee when confronted with angry lynch mobs.
Edited, Jun 5th 2009 9:17am by zepoodle
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You live in CA
False
It is assault, the male victim can get his own lawyer and go to the courthouse and swear out a complaint. Might even get a judge to listen to him.
When the criminal events are over he could even try and sue for damages from his assailants. That after all is true American legal system.
When the criminal events are over he could even try and sue for damages from his assailants. That after all is true American legal system.
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Smasharoo wrote:
Then it'd probably be a good idea not to flee and have a warrant issued for you arrest, no?
I'll rephrase.
"If I was being chased by an angry lynch mob that was planning to beat the snot out of me regardless of whether or not I was actually guilty of any crime, I would run away from them."
I think it's every person's instinctive reaction to flee when confronted with angry lynch mobs.
True, but I think Smash is saying that if instead, he had gone straight to the cops and turned himself in, the mob wouldn't have been an issue.
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