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#1 Jun 02 2009 at 6:13 AM Rating: Default
Does Obama even know what the word sacrifice means? I'm quite sure the 20,000+ employees who lost their jobs know what the word means.

I'm quite sure his yale boy toy doesn't.

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A few years ago, Brian Deese put his studies at Yale Law School on hold to volunteer for the presidential campaigns of Sen. Hillary Clinton LAW ‘73 and, after she dropped out of the race, then-Sen. Barack Obama. After the election, it might have seemed likely that Deese would return to the Law School, where he was once a member of the class of 2008, to receive his degree.

But it turned out President Obama had another assignment in store for Deese: He would be made responsible for the fate of the U.S. auto industry.


A special assistant to the president for economic policy, Deese, 31, has been a key player in Obama’s automotive task force since Election Day.

“There was a time between Nov. 4 and mid-February when I was the only full-time member of the auto task force,” Deese told The New York Times. “It was a little scary.”


http://yaledailynews.com/blogs/crosscampus/2009/06/01/finish-his-law-degree-no-brian-deese-has-gm-to-dismantle/

And this 31yr old who hasn't even finished law school is going to be responsible for dismantling GM.

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Edited, Jun 2nd 2009 10:14am by publiusvarus
#2 Jun 02 2009 at 6:17 AM Rating: Decent
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#3 Jun 02 2009 at 6:19 AM Rating: Good
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Something tells me you didn't vote for Obama.
#4 Jun 02 2009 at 6:20 AM Rating: Decent
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Varus, if you were pres, what would you do have done with/for GM?

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publiusvarus wrote:
And this 31yr old who hasn't even finished law school is going to be responsible for dismantling GM.


Well it's better then someone like Bush Jr. doing it.
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#6 Jun 02 2009 at 6:21 AM Rating: Good
Hey, you know who else dropped out of Yale? **** Cheney.
#7 Jun 02 2009 at 6:25 AM Rating: Excellent
publiusvarus wrote:
And this 31yr old who hasn't even finished law school is going to be responsible for dismantling GM.


No, not really.

Do you even read the articles you link? Only joking, we all know the answer to that one.
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#8 Jun 02 2009 at 6:27 AM Rating: Decent
Elinda,

I certainly wouldn't hire some spoiled inexperienced ivy league child to deal with it.

First of all if I were in charge I would have let GM go under without spending billions in a futile attempt to bail out an uncompetitive company. Just like I wouldn't have spent billions to bail out people who should never have been given loans they knew they couldn't repay. But that's just me. I think people should be responsible for their actions and face the consequences when they make poor decisions.

#9 Jun 02 2009 at 6:29 AM Rating: Default
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Finish his law degree? No, Brian Deese has G.M. to dismantle.


You realize this is the title of the article don't you?
#10 Jun 02 2009 at 6:29 AM Rating: Good
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publiusvarus wrote:
Elinda,

I certainly wouldn't hire some spoiled inexperienced ivy league child to deal with it.

First of all if I were in charge I would have let GM go under without spending billions in a futile attempt to bail out an uncompetitive company. Just like I wouldn't have spent billions to bail out people who should never have been given loans they knew they couldn't repay. But that's just me. I think people should be responsible for their actions and face the consequences when they make poor decisions.

Yes, yes, we know. Even when the system under which they live gives them no alternative, we know. You have no compassion.
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publiusvarus wrote:
Does Obama even know what the word sacrifice means? I'm quite sure the 20,000+ employees who lost their jobs know what the word means.

I'm trying to figure out what your gripe here is. Do you think he is going to be too eager to liquidate GM without a thought for the employees? Because he came out against the liquidation of Chrysler. Do you think he is too young? You don't like his qualifications? What exactly are you pretending to be upset about?

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#12 Jun 02 2009 at 6:32 AM Rating: Default
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Even when the system under which they live gives them no alternative, we know. You have no compassion.


I'm sure you would have felt the same way about the horse and carriage industry prior to the advent of automobiles. There are other jobs out there. What you don't do is force the rest of the country to buy up a toxic asset that would fail in a second with taxpayer funding.

Stealing from the responsible to finance the irresponsible is not compassion.

#13 Jun 02 2009 at 6:34 AM Rating: Excellent
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Finish his law degree? No, Brian Deese has G.M. to dismantle.


You realize this is the title of the article don't you?


You realise this is the title of the article, don't you?
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#14 Jun 02 2009 at 6:35 AM Rating: Good
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Ash,

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Even when the system under which they live gives them no alternative, we know. You have no compassion.


I'm sure you would have felt the same way about the horse and carriage industry prior to the advent of automobiles. There are other jobs out there. What you don't do is force the rest of the country to buy up a toxic asset that would fail in a second with taxpayer funding.

Stealing from the responsible to finance the irresponsible is not compassion.

If you spent half the time complaining about the bailouts to banks and insurance giants as you did complaining about poor people, maybe I'd sympathize with you.
#15 Jun 02 2009 at 6:35 AM Rating: Decent
So, Varrus, **** Cheney was a "spoiled ivy league child" too? 'Cause he went to Yale. Not for that long, though, on account of being too stupid to cut it.
#16 Jun 02 2009 at 6:41 AM Rating: Default
Allegory,

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Do you think he too young? You don't like his qualifications? What exactly are you pretending to be upset about?


I'm primarily upset about his "forced sacrifices" speech. I don't have any children but Obama is telling me I have to sacrifice my dreams for someone elses child. I know you'll say this is just the auto industry but that's a lie. This is the blueprint he's going to use in every industry he attacks.

And yes a 31 yr old should not be responsible for this. The question you should be asking is what qualifies this child for such an enormous task.

#17 Jun 02 2009 at 6:43 AM Rating: Good
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The question you should be asking is what qualifies this child for such an enormous task.

The question you should be asking yourself is "do you honestly think this guy will be doing this all by himself?"
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31 year olds are children now? Hehehe.

Well, I suppose he's someone's child.
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#19 Jun 02 2009 at 6:47 AM Rating: Good
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publiusvarus wrote:
The question you should be asking is what qualifies this child for such an enormous task.

The question you should be asking yourself is "do you honestly think this guy will be doing this all by himself?"


That, or "How about I read the fucking article that I am linking because who knows it might just save me from posting a gigantic amount of crap, oh, who am I kidding it'll never make a difference now let's go back to ************ to doggy ****."
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#20REDACTED, Posted: Jun 02 2009 at 6:52 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Ash,
#21 Jun 02 2009 at 6:53 AM Rating: Excellent
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And yes a 31 yr old should not be responsible for this. The question you should be asking is what qualifies this child for such an enormous task.


Smiley: dubious

Let's say you graduate from high school at the age of 19. You go to college to earn your BS in Criminal Science, or whatever. Now you're 23 years old. You then go to law school for three years. 26 years old.

By 31,you'd be practicing law for five years.

He is not a child.

I, myself, am 30 years old and have worked the same job for going on 9 years now. I have been married for over 6 years. I could, potentially, be raising a passel of children. 31 is not a child, you moron.
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“There was a time between Nov. 4 and mid-February when I was the only full-time member of the auto task force,” Deese told The New York Times. “It was a little scary.”


And yes 31 is too young to be dealing with this by yourself.


February was 4 months ago, the loans, restructuring plans, and bankruptcy have all happened since then.
#23 Jun 02 2009 at 6:56 AM Rating: Decent
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Allegory,

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Do you think he too young? You don't like his qualifications? What exactly are you pretending to be upset about?


I'm primarily upset about his "forced sacrifices" speech. I don't have any children but Obama is telling me I have to sacrifice my dreams for someone elses child. I know you'll say this is just the auto industry but that's a lie. This is the blueprint he's going to use in every industry he attacks.

And yes a 31 yr old should not be responsible for this. The question you should be asking is what qualifies this child for such an enormous task.



Deese's speech, or Obama's? I'm guessing Obama's. Look, you seem of two minds on this. On the one hand, you hate governmental intervention and big spending. So if the Obama administration tried to save the auto industry, they'd be doing bad. On the other hand, when they admit GM cannot be saved, you get mad that Obama said it is a "forced sacrifice" and decide that any failing industry that the Obama administration lets fall is one more nail in the coffin of America's industries. All industries, apparently. Him allowing them to fail, via capitalism, is the same as attacking them.

It just looks like there's no answer from your view. What would YOU do?

As for the qualifications, I have no idea how qualified this guy is. I wouldn't call him a child because he's older than me. But GM is going into bankruptcy, and Deese is there to make sure it works out as well as it can. Considering he's overseeing it's final voyage, I'd consider him at least as qualified as the CEOs who drove the company into the ground in the first place.

Also, the profile linked in the OP was pretty interesting.
#24 Jun 02 2009 at 6:58 AM Rating: Default
Tulip,

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I, myself, am 30 years old and have worked the same job for going on 9 years now. I have been married for over 6 years. I could, potentially, be raising a passel of children. 31 is not a child, you moron.


So you think someone with no experience in the automotive industry who has yet to have a real job should be in charge of dismantling a company that's been on the Dow for 85 years?

Read and learn;

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Finish his law degree? No, Brian Deese has G.M. to dismantle.


What qualifies him for the job ahead? Why was he chosen? Don't we have senior executives in the automotive industry who are far more qualified and capable? And yes 31 is far too young an age to be able to address this issue. I wonder if this child has ever worked a day in the private sector. How can he know what his actions are going to do to the country?

If only we actually had reporters that would think to ask such questions.

#25 Jun 02 2009 at 7:01 AM Rating: Default
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I'd consider him at least as qualified as the CEOs who drove the company into the ground in the first place.


What qualifies him? And it wasn't the CEO's that ran GM into the ground it was the UAW; who incidentally now own a huge stake in the company courtesy the Obama administration. Capitalism didn't fail here the socialist unions did. Just like every other company that has a large union presence is doomed to failure.

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Tulip,

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I, myself, am 30 years old and have worked the same job for going on 9 years now. I have been married for over 6 years. I could, potentially, be raising a passel of children. 31 is not a child, you moron.


So you think someone with no experience in the automotive industry who has yet to have a real job should be in charge of dismantling a company that's been on the Dow for 85 years?

Read and learn;

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Finish his law degree? No, Brian Deese has G.M. to dismantle.


What qualifies him for the job ahead? Why was he chosen? Don't we have senior executives in the automotive industry who are far more qualified and capable? And yes 31 is far too young an age to be able to address this issue. I wonder if this child has ever worked a day in the private sector. How can he know what his actions are going to do to the country?

If only we actually had reporters that would think to ask such questions.

Chrysler is set to emerge from bankruptcy in a matter of weeks. I'd assume GM should be on the same path. You have indirectly, in the past, approved of "ends justify the means" methods: if these bankruptcies work, what the **** difference does it make?
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