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#1 May 29 2009 at 2:19 PM Rating: Excellent
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I cannot wait for the next week to pass in UK politics. This is among the most exciting times I can remember (politically) since .. ever.

They say when it rains it pours, but its been rainy season here of late. Labour are so low in the polls that they could come 3rd in the polls behind the Tories and the UKindependance party. Just .. wow

Maybe I am excited for the wrong reasons but I see this as the first time in my lifetime that the elections are not predicatable. That a result so extroardinary could could force changes in the way my country is run.

How are other UK based voters feeling about the upcoming 2 weeks and the elections?
#2 May 29 2009 at 3:52 PM Rating: Good
UK Independence Party? Seriously? I am so glad you guys have the third lowest seats per voters in the EU. Smiley: lol

I am really looking forward to the elections, I think it's gonna be easier than the last elections we had here (where I ended up voting for three parties on three ballots, I don't really recall) and the EU is important to me. I'm also glad we get to vote last. They do count your votes before the 7th, right?

The MP scandal's consequences are really nothing I look forward to with the way it seems to be influencing the public right now.
#3 May 29 2009 at 3:55 PM Rating: Decent
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You're not talking about the EU elections are you? They'll just bring out the "ah **** it, it's only the EU elections" voters and the rest of us will stay home and watch that Welsh person singing.

First past the post reduces any *actual* political event in our country to a choice between dirty red and shiny new blue.

Ooh! Shiny!
#4 May 29 2009 at 6:35 PM Rating: Decent
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#5 May 29 2009 at 11:34 PM Rating: Decent
At least you have two viable parties. Here in the US, we have either (a) two non-viable parties or (b) one viable party that puts up two different fronts.
#6REDACTED, Posted: May 29 2009 at 11:59 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Um.. Hello? Black President over here. Big news and such.
#7 May 30 2009 at 12:13 AM Rating: Good
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Um.. Hello? Black President over here. Big news and such.

Unless you guys get a Gay President nobody will give a Ratus Nates about what goes on in UK.


You know what you should do? Kill yourself.
#8REDACTED, Posted: May 30 2009 at 1:31 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I'm pretty sure at least one of my braincells die every time I read one of your moranic posts, does that count?
#9 May 30 2009 at 1:36 AM Rating: Good
So that's what, five more posts until you're totally brain dead? Yeah, I think I can deal with you for that long.
#10REDACTED, Posted: May 30 2009 at 1:38 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Yeah, I'm totally excited to finally try it out.
#11 May 30 2009 at 1:42 AM Rating: Good
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Yeah, I'm totally excited to finally try it out.

So... What's it like?


It's, like, you know, like, totally rad, man.
#12REDACTED, Posted: May 30 2009 at 1:45 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Cheech? 's that you, man?
#13 May 30 2009 at 3:58 AM Rating: Excellent
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malee wrote:
GwynapNud the Eccentric wrote:
I cannot wait for the next week to pass in UK politics. This is among the most exciting times I can remember (politically) since .. ever.



Um.. Hello? Black President over here. Big news and such.

Unless you guys get a Gay President nobody will give a Ratus Nates about what goes on in UK.

(Yeah I googled the Latin names, so what, wanna fight about it?)


MaleE, is that like an E class model of male? Are you an eunuch?

I adore most Americans on this board. They pay attention to the news of the world and carry themselves with a modicum off respect. But everyone needs a zero, and it seems you are it. At least Varrus has an opinion, even if 'out there'.
Not only do you parade Obama like a prize toy cheapening his position, You ignore all aspects of him that make him a good president (that have nothing to do with him being black). You ignore my post about it being an excitement about UK politics, Not US.

But, to get back to the original post. UK politics has been stale for centuries. We have a system that has worked but the problems with it have been shown up in glaring technicolour in the last few years. We removed a speaker in the house of parliament, the first time in 400 years. That is earth shattering enough but real tangible reform of parliament could occur for the first time in centuries.
To list some the inherent problems that are now in open discussion and do have potential for reform.

One major problem is Gordon Brown. He was not voted for and inherited the post of Prime Minister. He is persistently referred to as "the unelected" in the news and there is a growing movement of opinion that his lame duck status should not be allowed to occur again. After the local and european elections the labour party will be stuck in a horrendous position. If they do depose their lame duck, they will force yet another Prime Minister on a public who lack any trust in the system and will most likely be irked to have no say in who sits as head of their country.

It is not possible to remove an MP. The recent crisis in parliament has shown that even with MPs who have been shown to have committed expense fraud, who have stated they will NOT stand in the next election are remaining in situ. This is leading to the ridiculous position of the house of commons containing hundreds of representatives who can vote on matters of state but know full well that they do not have the confidence or backing of their voters and will be removed at the earliest opportunity. But if the Prime Minister is not exactly setting a good example, I can half forgive them. They need rolemodels which are lacking.

Parliamentary reform. I'll not go into this too much but to say that the old boys network is facing reform. The position of whip and other legacy offices and instruments of MP control are facing questions of their very function and viability.

Professional politicians. We as a nation are now a little tired of professional politicians. There is a detachment of values from the elected and the electorate. The expenses scandel has shown just how removed from day to day life MPs are. They seemed to forget that they are our servants. The fact that they tried to protest and keep MPs expenses from the public domain shows the fact they simply do not understand the function of their office. They spend OUR money, they ARE accountable to the electorate. And now its time for them to learn that lesson by being summarily removed from office and replaced (the question is with who ... more of the same?).

Saying all this I'm just amused and wait to see with baited breath what will fall out in the coming months. The coming 2 weeks will see the completion of the local and Euro elections and I am awaiting the departure of lame duck brown. Schadenfreude indeed.

History is in the making and I'm enjoying the view Smiley: smile

Edited, May 30th 2009 11:59am by GwynapNud
#14 May 30 2009 at 4:23 AM Rating: Good
What I am seeing is that the public opinion in the UK is moving yet farther to the right. You should embrace socialism! Smiley: mad

That said, there is no viable party for me in the UK. I might not be eligible to vote in the next election in my own country either, and we too are slowly but steadily moving to the right again; the EU elections are very important to me as the only elections where I am offered reasonable choices and don't have to vote Labour (or equivalent) because there is no better choice.
#15 May 30 2009 at 5:00 AM Rating: Good
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What I am seeing is that the public opinion in the UK is moving yet farther to the right. You should embrace socialism! Smiley: mad


We did, its face is Gordon Brown Smiley: glare

18 years of Tories and we were sick of the right. Now after 12 years of Labour we are sick of that particular brand of socialism. We tried!

Give us a little conservatism and we will be ready to fight the good socialist fight in a decade Smiley: grin

Its a pan European wide swing to the right that we are experiencing. Socialism seems to only be affordable in boom times. When a recession comes most people have historically prefered convervatism. The danger is the far right .. the likes of the BNP who should never be allowed to be more than a side distraction to pity for their disgusting views.
#16 May 30 2009 at 5:28 AM Rating: Good
I always thought it was the other way around.

Also, New Labour is not socialism. At least I never thought of it as such.

Also, read this. You might find it interesting.
#17 May 30 2009 at 5:59 AM Rating: Good
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Lady Kalivha wrote:
I always thought it was the other way around.

Also, New Labour is not socialism. At least I never thought of it as such.

Also, read this. You might find it interesting.


That was an interesting read, but lets face it. If France was so nice why is Red in the UK and why are you planning to come here? Smiley: schooled You both know the grass is greener in this pleasant land Smiley: nod

I'm so serious, this is in no way a whimsical cheapshot uh huh
#18 May 30 2009 at 6:17 AM Rating: Good
We're trying to turn Britain into Comunist territory get you to understand our way. Smiley: nod

Also, you guys are doing some things right. For example your language. And Oxbridge. Smiley: grin

And really, the British model is more comfortable to live in in some ways, if you're not in a bad situation financially. A lot of people are, though.
#19 May 30 2009 at 6:28 AM Rating: Decent
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Parliamentary reform. I'll not go into this too much but to say that the old boys network is facing reform.


Hahahaha, wow, I had no idea you were that much of a gigantic sucker. "Reform" ahahahaha.


Saying all this I'm just amused and wait to see with baited breath what will fall out in the coming months.


Nothing will, you fucking infant. Even if you morons are somehow stupid enough to put Cameron in power, what do you think is going to change? Above board fraud will become below board fraud? Yay!
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#20 May 30 2009 at 6:38 AM Rating: Good
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Parliamentary reform. I'll not go into this too much but to say that the old boys network is facing reform.


Hahahaha, wow, I had no idea you were that much of a gigantic sucker. "Reform" ahahahaha.


Time will tell. Shall we revisit this after the next general election? I'm certain there will be a key change to some aspects of the way we the British choose to govern ourselves.

Smasharoo wrote:

Saying all this I'm just amused and wait to see with baited breath what will fall out in the coming months.


Nothing will, you fucking infant. Even if you morons are somehow stupid enough to put Cameron in power, what do you think is going to change? Above board fraud will become below board fraud? Yay!


Hey Boston grandpa, I'm interested in a change in the way the country is run. Not expenses, that is a symptom. Fraud will always occur, lets just see what happens shall we?

As for Cameron, granted he will win by the nature of a lack of opposition but I fail to see how he can possibly do worse than Brown.

And seeing as you are a Yankee, get the hell out of my thread Smiley: glare Smiley: tongue



Edited, May 30th 2009 2:38pm by GwynapNud
#21 May 30 2009 at 6:54 AM Rating: Good
HAHAHA, Gwyn, I'm not British either.
#22 May 30 2009 at 7:03 AM Rating: Excellent
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Lady Kalivha wrote:
HAHAHA, Gwyn, I'm not British either.


You are in a relationship with a British man, you intend to live here, you speak and write excellent English. I consider you half native Smiley: nod

Edited, May 30th 2009 3:03pm by GwynapNud
#23 May 30 2009 at 7:24 AM Rating: Good
So Smash is French and German because he's excellent at those languages? Smiley: tongue
#24 May 30 2009 at 7:43 AM Rating: Decent
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#25 May 31 2009 at 1:16 AM Rating: Excellent
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I'd feel dirty if I made any observations on the OP.

Gwyn's already proven (and continues to drive it homw with a mallet) that she has no grasp whatever of how British politics works, any clue about our constitution, and respouts the drivel from tabloids.

If you're British, get out and vote for the individual who best represents your interests, on your local council, and in Europe.
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#26 May 31 2009 at 1:46 AM Rating: Good
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I'd feel dirty if I made any observations on the OP.

Gwyn's already proven (and continues to drive it homw with a mallet) that she has no grasp whatever of how British politics works, any clue about our constitution, and respouts the drivel from tabloids.

If you're British, get out and vote for the individual who best represents your interests, on your local council, and in Europe.


I heard the campaigning in Britain has nothing to do with Europe at all. Even the UKIP are focusing on other issues.

Our parties at least partly address EU issues in their bloody EU campaign (although the Social Democrats resort to name-calling and the Green Party are trying to be brutally onomatopoetic). This election is weird.

Also, the only anti-EU campaign I've seen here so far is the one coming from the Communist Party. Smiley: laugh

Edited, May 31st 2009 12:38pm by Kalivha
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