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#27 May 26 2009 at 9:55 AM Rating: Good
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What I'm not getting here is how the parents can claim persecution on religious grounds. Exactly what "religion" are they a part of?


From what I understand, a very twisted and warped Christian sect.
#28 May 26 2009 at 9:58 AM Rating: Excellent
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Let's hope it involves faith healing.

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#29 May 26 2009 at 10:00 AM Rating: Good
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In France you'd probably be right, actually. Here, and as far as I know in Canada, speech is still protected.



You're wrong. Canada's freedom of speech is not absolute and can be limited in some cases.

For example, it is illegal to publicly incite hatred against people based on their colour, race, religion, ethnic origin, and sexual orientation under article 319 of the criminal code.

Is using your child as a billboard for your hate speech can be considered public incitation?
#30 May 26 2009 at 10:01 AM Rating: Excellent
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Maybe! Thanks for the correction.

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#31 May 26 2009 at 10:04 AM Rating: Good
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Maybe! Thanks for the correction.


I swear when I first read that it said, "Please, sir, may I have another?"
#32 May 26 2009 at 10:05 AM Rating: Good
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Let's hope it involves faith healing.

Did...did you just hope, in a roundabout way, that this kid dies?
#33 May 26 2009 at 10:05 AM Rating: Decent
Teaching bigotry and racism is not itself a crime. Projecting these values on ones children in the manner they have been(i.e. instill ideas, magic marking swatistka's) is cause to have them put in foster homes.

There needed to be outside intervention now so that the children can have some semblance of a life.
#34 May 26 2009 at 10:08 AM Rating: Good
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Samira wrote:
Let's hope it involves faith healing.

Did...did you just hope, in a roundabout way, that this kid dies?


Or she could just be hoping that a medical neglect ding would constitute legitimate grounds to have the child removed from parental custody.
#35 May 26 2009 at 10:10 AM Rating: Good
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Ambrya wrote:
AshOnMyTomatoes wrote:
Samira wrote:
Let's hope it involves faith healing.

Did...did you just hope, in a roundabout way, that this kid dies?


Or she could just be hoping that a medical neglect ding would constitute legitimate grounds to have the child removed from parental custody.
But that's not as deliciously e-vil. Smiley: frown
#36 May 26 2009 at 10:11 AM Rating: Good
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Is using your child as a billboard for your hate speech can be considered public incitation?


My blood pressure just increased by three Paskils.
#37 May 26 2009 at 10:15 AM Rating: Good
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Is using your child as a billboard for your hate speech can be considered public incitation?


My blood pressure just increased by three Paskils.


Yeah, that sentence needs to be taken out back and shot, but it is an interesting question.
#38 May 26 2009 at 10:15 AM Rating: Good
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It's not like they found a book on Hitler in their care bear backpacks...they're walking billboards of their parents bigotry, and they agree with it.


And you're horrified and repulsed and indignant. That's fine; but it's not evidence of a crime.
That's not me you're quoting. Smiley: mad

Although as feelz said, it's illegal in Canada to incite hate.

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#39 May 26 2009 at 10:38 AM Rating: Excellent
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AshOnMyTomatoes wrote:
Samira wrote:
Let's hope it involves faith healing.

Did...did you just hope, in a roundabout way, that this kid dies?


Well, come on. Realistically she's fUCked, and likely to cause unreckoned amounts of mischief in her misbegotten little life.

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#40 May 26 2009 at 11:33 AM Rating: Good
It's going to take years of therapy to fix her, anyway.

I don't think that taking a child away from parents is punishing the child for a crime they might commit in the future. I'm not sure how that came up. It's saving the child from potentially committing crimes. Ideally, the parents lose their kid + get slapped with a fine. Sort of like animal abusers.
#41 May 26 2009 at 11:39 AM Rating: Excellent
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I don't think that taking a child away from parents is punishing the child for a crime they might commit in the future.


I think that if you had taken me away from my mother when I was seven years old, I would assume that I had done something terrible and I was being punished, personally.
#42 May 26 2009 at 11:59 AM Rating: Decent
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It's going to take years of therapy to fix her, anyway.

I don't think that taking a child away from parents is punishing the child for a crime they might commit in the future. I'm not sure how that came up. It's saving the child from potentially committing crimes. Ideally, the parents lose their kid + get slapped with a fine. Sort of like animal abusers.
Presumably they would be taking the child away because the child is being abused or neglected - and not because she may or may not commit a hate crime in the future. People are institutionalized however, if they are deemed a threat to themselves or others (you know - crazies).

If child protective services takes a child away from a family it should never be about punishment but simply protecting the child.

This is shock-jock stuff. Is there a history of violent or illegal behavior by the girl or her parents?

Interestingly, most states have some kind of language in their regs that allow their home case-workers some leverage in removing children from homes - or not, as they see fit. In other words it's an area that they don't want black and white, but instead want dealt with on a case by case basis. Of course any actions or inactions have to be justified. Removing kids from their home is tricky business.
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#43 May 26 2009 at 10:11 PM Rating: Good
All racist stuff aside.

- Kids live with mom & stepdad.
- It says mom & step dad are separated & mom's moved away.

Are the kids living with the step dad?

They've obviously got other issues, the racist stuff is just...

Well...funny, in a horrible kinda way.

As a Bostonian, I approve of busing these kids to Harlem for school.
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#44 May 26 2009 at 10:53 PM Rating: Decent
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Did someone say "use their child as a billboard"? I've made jokes about renting my son out as sign space. Kid's got a forehead that puts Kelsey Grammer to shame.
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