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Conservative Radio Host Erich Mancow Waterboarded: Video!Follow

#1 May 23 2009 at 9:04 PM Rating: Good
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And so it went Friday morning when WLS radio host Erich "Mancow" Muller decided to subject himself to the controversial practice of waterboarding live on his show.

Mancow decided to tackle the divisive issue head on -- actually it was head down while restrained and reclining.

"I want to find out if it's torture," Mancow told his listeners Friday morning, adding that he hoped his on-air test would help prove that waterboarding did not, in fact, constitute torture.


The debate over whether waterboarding constitutes torture reached a fever pitch this week as re-ignited claims that Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) knew as early as 2002 about waterboarding techniques being used, and former Vice President **** Cheney and President Barack Obama gave "dueling speeches" Thursday.

Listeners had the chance to decide whether Mancow himself or his co-host, Chicago radio personality Pat Cassidy, would undergo the interrogation method during the broadcast. The voters ultimately decided Mancow would be the one donning the soaked towel and shackles, and at about 8:40 a.m., he entered a small storage room next to his studio that was compared to a "dungeon" by Cassidy.

"The average person can take this for 14 seconds," Marine Sergeant Clay South answered, adding, "He's going to wiggle, he's going to scream, he's going to wish he never did this."

With a Chicago Fire Department paramedic on hand, Mancow was placed on a 7-foot long table, his legs were elevated, and his feet were tied up.

Turns out the stunt wasn't so funny. Witnesses said Muller thrashed on the table, and even instantly threw the toy cow he was holding as his emergency tool to signify when he wanted the experiment to stop. He only lasted 6 or 7 seconds.

"It is way worse than I thought it would be, and that's no joke,"Mancow said, likening it to a time when he nearly drowned as a child. "It is such an odd feeling to have water poured down your nose with your head back...It was instantaneous...and I don't want to say this: absolutely torture."

"I wanted to prove it wasn't torture," Mancow said. "They cut off our heads, we put water on their face...I got voted to do this but I really thought 'I'm going to laugh this off.'"


Keith Oberman also donated 10K to the Charity of Mancow's choice as cowardly Sean Hannity has thus far, not done the same.

Thoughts?



Edited, May 24th 2009 1:05am by Omegavegeta
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#2 May 23 2009 at 9:13 PM Rating: Excellent
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Ehhh... I don't know. Haven't a couple conservative voices already done this? I mean, it's "great" that Muller admits that it's torture but it's becoming more of a gimmick than anything that proves a point.
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#3 May 23 2009 at 10:13 PM Rating: Excellent
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Ehhh... I don't know. Haven't a couple conservative voices already done this? I mean, it's "great" that Muller admits that it's torture but it's becoming more of a gimmick than anything that proves a point.


Original or not, if this guy reached or convinced people who either didn't know about, or weren't convinced by, the others who have done it, it's all good in my book.
#4 May 23 2009 at 11:42 PM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
Ehhh... I don't know. Haven't a couple conservative voices already done this? I mean, it's "great" that Muller admits that it's torture but it's becoming more of a gimmick than anything that proves a point.


Original or not, if this guy reached or convinced people who either didn't know about, or weren't convinced by, the others who have done it, it's all good in my book.

Exactly.

There are different sets of people who from habit lock themselves into an enclosed set of media sources. The important thing is that although there are already sets of people who are already convinced 100 times over that waterboarding is torture, there's still a massive amount of people who vehemently disagree. Those latter people's minds still have to be reached, and I'm really glad if a "stunt" like this can do it.

Now I'd like the same sorts of stunts done over by some conservative media stars with all the other types of supposedly non-tortuous interrogation techniques at Gitmo. At least they'll have the private health insurance to handle the PTS afterward. I don't require that any one person goes the full hog with the whole deal. Just one technique per person, done in one session, once.
#5 May 24 2009 at 12:18 AM Rating: Good
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My Republican coworkers were listening to the mp3 of this on Friday - they didn't argue that it wasn't torture, but one of them stated, "what Mancow didn't say was how quickly he would have given up all his information." So it only addresses half the issue anyway.

I just smile and nod when they talk politics.

#6 May 24 2009 at 1:50 AM Rating: Excellent
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My Republican coworkers were listening to the mp3 of this on Friday - they didn't argue that it wasn't torture, but one of them stated, "what Mancow didn't say was how quickly he would have given up all his information." So it only addresses half the issue anyway


So does inserting boiling eggs into someone's ****, which is what the Phalangists used to do in Lebanon. Wasn't the "issue" whether waterboarding constituted "torture"? The fact that some pampered talk-show host would give up information is neither here nor there.

So, Varrus or gbaji next?

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#7 May 24 2009 at 6:25 AM Rating: Decent
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Meh, in a relativistic view, there are just too many things that are arguably worse-more damaging-more often fatal etc. which are not "Intentionally" tortuous.

A night or two in a county jail for instance,Fraternity hazing/pledging, getting jumped in to a gang,(even training for Ironman type events),training for several types of Martial Arts disciplines....

Idealistically, nothing that could be mistaken for torture should exist, but in the real world, people are hurt & killed for much less reason everyday, even in First world countries.
#8 May 24 2009 at 6:28 AM Rating: Good
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Wasn't the "issue" whether waterboarding constituted "torture"?

Trickybeck is referring to the question of the effectiveness of torture as a means of extracting accurate information. A very rational point can still be made for the use of torture if one accepts the premise that it is effective.
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in the real world, people are hurt & killed for much less reason everyday, even in First world countries.
The issue is the government using these techniques, not whether or not it hurts worse to have a random satellite crash on your head while walking down Main Street.

My thoughts about it becoming a stunt is that it lessens the impact when someone does it. Eventually you reach a point where it becomes "Well, hell, every radio host and TV commentator has done it so how bad can it be for them there terrists?"

Edited, May 24th 2009 9:51am by Jophiel
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My thoughts about it becoming a stunt is that it lessens the impact when someone does it. Eventually you reach a point where it becomes "Well, hell, every radio host and TV commentator has done it so how bad can it be for them there terrists?"

Maybe at some point, but I really don't believe we're there yet. There are still a significant number of people using the rhetoric that waterboarding simply isn't torture. When a respected conservative figure says unbashedly that it is torture, then I think the marginal shock value from that wake up is much greater than the marginal dilution of the term.
#11 May 24 2009 at 7:34 AM Rating: Good
Heh.

http://waterboardseanhannity.com/

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#12 May 24 2009 at 8:27 AM Rating: Good
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Idealistically, nothing that could be mistaken for torture should exist, but in the real world, people are hurt & killed for much less reason everyday, even in First world countries.


/WHOOSH

Way to TOTALLY miss the point.
#13REDACTED, Posted: May 24 2009 at 2:46 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) How so ?
#14 May 24 2009 at 3:47 PM Rating: Good
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What's the fun in capturing spies, traitors, etc, if you can't torture them for intel?
#15 May 24 2009 at 4:09 PM Rating: Good
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What's the fun in capturing spies, traitors, etc, if you can't torture them for intel?


Well, from what James Bond has taught me, you get to have sex with them. That could be fun, I guess.
#16 May 24 2009 at 9:24 PM Rating: Decent
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Jophiel wrote:
Ehhh... I don't know. Haven't a couple conservative voices already done this? I mean, it's "great" that Muller admits that it's torture but it's becoming more of a gimmick than anything that proves a point.
I remember another strong conservative voice doing this exact same thing and changing sides in the exact same manner a couple years back. Doesn't mean much to anyone but the person who was waterboarded.
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#17 May 26 2009 at 5:53 PM Rating: Decent
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I also question the label "conservative" for this guy. He's a shock jock, and pretty much just goes for the lowest common denominator. While I can't pretend to know his political leanings, they certainly don't form the core of his show or "message".
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#18 May 26 2009 at 6:00 PM Rating: Decent
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Yeah, pretty much.

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#19 May 26 2009 at 6:20 PM Rating: Decent
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I also question the label "conservative" for this guy. He's a shock jock, and pretty much just goes for the lowest common denominator.


So he's a conservative sans love of the rich folk, then.
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I also question the label "conservative" for this guy. He's a shock jock
Was a shock jock. He's been on WLS-AM, the Chicago flagship conservative talk station (Limbaugh, Hannity, Levin, etc) for going on a year now doing a pretty standard Pubbie talk show -- aside from being waterboarded. He was outspoken against Obama and was the first local radio show I heard giving legitimate air time to that nutball with the "Obama's not a Natural Born Citizen" lawsuit. He hasn't done a "morning zoo" bit for a couple years since Q101 dumped him.

Here's an old article about his political leanings.

Edited, May 27th 2009 1:00am by Jophiel
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#21 May 26 2009 at 10:00 PM Rating: Good
He's a conservative-libertarian-war hawk.

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On the libertarian side, Mancow has displayed a distinct distrust of government. In his 2003 autobiographical book, Dad, Dames, Demons, and A Dwarf, he wrote: "I can feel the clock running out on the American experiment of freedom. Has it already happened? Every cop in Amerika today...can throw the Constitution out the window. Any cop can break down my door at any time without a warrant as long as they say the word 'terrorism.' Or 'drugs.' Against the Bill of Rights? You bet it is." He told CNSNews.com, "I'm very worried about the loss of freedoms, especially after September 11. It seems to me that some of that cost [to fight terrorism] may be the loss of freedoms." Mancow is also a supporter of the Second Amendment and an opponent of censorship.

On the conservative side, Mancow supports prayer in government schools. "The prayer in our schools should be the individual prayer of each child, prepared by that child's parent or clergy or spiritual adviser," he told CNSNews.com (November 1, 2001). "But there should be prayer." He has suggested that he opposes free trade. "How can an American worker compete [with] India where there's no union, no health care, and they pay a dollar a month?" he asked on his show (October 22, 2004). And Mancow has been so fervently in favor of President George W. Bush's invasion of Iraq that critics have called him "a mouthpiece of the Republican shill machine." He even suggested that critics of the war such as DNC Chairman Howard Dean "ought to be tried for treason." (Fox News' Fox & Friends, December 6, 2005.)
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#22 May 27 2009 at 1:46 PM Rating: Good
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Regardless, Nancy Pelosi condoned it back when the CIA extensively briefed her. Now it just happens to be politically expedient to jump on the Oh-my-goodness-it's-torture bandwagon. Too bad her story doesn't add up. Good job kicking yourself in the babymaker, Lib.

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#23 May 27 2009 at 1:53 PM Rating: Decent
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Regardless, Nancy Pelosi condoned it back when the CIA extensively briefed her. Now it just happens to be politically expedient to jump on the Oh-my-goodness-it's-torture bandwagon. Too bad her story doesn't add up. Good job kicking yourself in the babymaker, Lib.


It's not like it matters. The press gave it the cursory 2 days pseudo-coverage and now they've moved on. Of course we both know if a republican were the target how long, and extensive, the investigation would have been.

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It's not like it matters. The press gave it the cursory 2 days pseudo-coverage and now they've moved on.
It's been in the news for the last two-three weeks but you're somewhat right. The GOP missed their chance to make it gell into something when they had the opportunity and now the news has changed to the SCotUS pick. They were already running out of steam with it last week when Gingrich was backing off his "She must resign!" comments as quips from Republicans who had previously questioned the CIA's truthfulness kept emerging.
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#25 May 27 2009 at 2:57 PM Rating: Decent
Jophed,

Actually it died when Pelosi told the press she refused to talk about it anymore and no investigation was ordered on what she knew and when she knew it.

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no investigation was ordered on what she knew and when she knew it.
Sucks to be the minority party, huh?
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