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A legal execution is not immoral in the eyes of the law. You consider it immoral, sure. I, and many others would consider it justice. Feeding, entertaining, clothing, and housing some murderer in a standard of luxury that many of our poorer citizens are denied is immoral in my oppinon.



yes, both systems do need a massive overhaul. And there isn't some magic inifinite pot of money available to adequatly fund everything. Prison isn't supposed to be fun. Prison should be a horrible experiance designed to ensure that those being in prison have no desire to ever return. Let's worry about providing adequate physical and mental stimulation for our citizens before prisons. Why should some murderer in prison get free education when we can't provide the means for most of our non-imprisoned youth to go to college?

No there isn't, hell doesn't exist.

I slept in the back of a pickup truck in New Jersey once. Not nearly as bad as I thought, lol.

Well... stuff happens in the real world. You can still defend yourself. Sometimes you just have to make a choice between pacifism and murder. It's not like I would hesitate to murder someone that was threatening my family or friends, but I'd still feel really bad after the fact and if they had survivors I'd probably be trying to comfort them.



Ethics are arbitrary and invented. All norms are. Realizing that, I'm not comfortable telling another person that they should be punished for anything, but sometimes we have to simply because there isn't any other choice because criminals cause so much harm to people. However, because we have recognized causing harm as something to avoid, we can't conscientiously cause undue harm to prisoners either.

You can still imprison people, but the process should be absolutely uniform, impartial, and as least sadistic and as least vengeful as possible.

Universal compassion isn't allowing an emotion into an argument that decries emotional judgments. It's simply the principle that glues the entire chain of reasoning together, and even though it's just as arbitrary as wanton vengeance, I believe that compassion leads to much more happiness and peace.

Serious criminals should just be dumped on an island to fend for themselves. Out of sight out of mind. They're free to live their lives however they can manage, on their island, away from us.

Sometimes you just have to thin the herd.

Did they already try this?

Given our high incarceration rate and the fact that among other industrialized countries, we are most likely to execute and yet here we are in the US, still with our high crime rate, stricter punishments aren't gonna do all that much to curb serious crime. That and plucking one story out of the paper and talking about how it means you should change the law isn't a meaningful exercise.

You forgot the second part:

We've been over this a dozen times. Prison clearly doesn't work, so you're stuck between a rock and a hard place. Trying to please everyone by locking people up isn't winning the war on crime, yet executing them runs the risk of getting it wrong.

Isn't it time for a space prison?

And Kavekk is a stupid ****.

Where's your documentation to back up your claim?

The former.