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Nope, that's pretty much exactly correct.



Universal compassion doesn't have to be emotional, but if you'd like to interpret it that way, I don't really mind.



You're either incredibly think or incredibly cnuty to consider universal love as angsty emodriven philosobabbly.

No, killing her is revenge. A life for a life, an eye for an eye. A death sentence should only be used if the person has no ability to be redeemed, or is a great risk for re-offense.

Justice would be for her to made to take ownership for her mistakes, and live with them. Sentencing her to death will not bring the child back, nor will it make her understand what she has done wrong. If she is given time, she will deal with the pain she has caused herself and her family, and hopefully begin to make amends.

And it's a shame that a discussion I have been enjoying has caused you to hurl an insult for no better reason to provoke some form of reaction. It's rare to have an adult, mature, and intellectual discussion around these parts. I've enjoyed debating the matter with you, but if you're deciding to resort to some form of flame war, be my guest.

I'd much prefer, however, if you would put forward your ideal, just sentence for her given this case.

My ideal huh? Okay

Criminals of capital offenses with no chance of rehabilitation are inserted into life simulators until they expire from old age, in which they are free to live how they would like without regard for the law.

Unfortunately ideals aren't very realistic...

You asked for my ideal. If you wanted a realistic answer you should have just asked for one.

Life with frequent psychiatric evaluation to determine recidivism. Possible parole after some time has passed. It's really that easy.



Serving life does the exact same thing without killing someone.

Why the **** should we waste taxpayer money building simulators for hardcore violent criminals? If you rape someone, you are scum and need to be removed from the species by force. A nice $0.30 bullet would accomplish this quite effectivly. Hell, I'd even be willing to spring for the $0.60 copper jacket rounds just for fun.

We spend more on incarcerating violent criminals than we do on educating children. That is just wrong.

My own theory is that because the private insurance industry makes too much money with the way things are now and I think that some of that money is going to quite a few campaign funds.

The state of Social Services funding is horrifying. Here in San Antonio at the State Hospital, clients are ditched at the bus station with a bus ticket once their time is up. If they have a family, the family isn't often notified (which caused quite the scandal when one of the clients died.)

See, the problem is even if we offer treatment, there really isn't the kind of funding or proper network for followup care.

If one of the mothers does happen to get treatment. After the treatment, there might not be followup care to ensure she is taking her medication or that she can afford the medication. At this point, things seem set up to ensure that the mentally ill criminal, fails.



I'm incredibly think! The thinkiest there is!

Edited, May 24th 2009 4:46pm by niobia

How would you know? Do you have sooper sekret access to his PCL-R scores?

Ever hear of cognitive restructuring? How about The Weathermen?

Oh yes, no one has heard of the Weathermen - they're such a low-key group, and it's not like they were all over the news again recently in McCain's ineffective smear campaign against Obama, is it?

Nope. You're giving us all a stunning insight, here, and I for one am earnestly grateful. I certainly wouldn't appreciate some elucidation on your part or, heaven forbid, a cogent argument.

It's my curse. Never to walk in darkness or light, decent or excellent, ever to walk the shadowy line between. A place where anything is possible - even, occasionally, breakfast.

I usually call it "pie-in-the-sky claptrap" myself.

If some legitimate official came up to me and told me (with all supporting evidence in hand, etc.) "this guy, right over there, raped and killed 43 people, if we let him go, he'll rape and kill again, if we put him in prison he'll rape inmates and attempt to kill them at a cost to the state of roughly $1 million dollars per year for the rest of his life of on average at least 35 more years unless you, Tim, right here and now push this button...

I would push that button with absolutly no sense of remorse whatsover.

Can you rehabilitate some people? Sure. A few, here and there. But there are some people who are so completely lost to us that we shouldn't even try, and even if we could "fix" them so they would stop killing people you would probably have to do something so drastic to their brain that you might as well kill them anyways rather than torturing them. Use the money you save on their incarceration to give our children a better education so they won't ahve to turn to crime.

The fact that you can apparently commit immoral actions with impunity doesn't really have anything to do with whether or not they are right.



There is no reason we should have to choose between giving human rights to criminals or giving civil rights to children. If our country is in that bad of ******* shape then we need a massive overhaul of both systems.

If you can't fix someone then you remove them from the rest of the population as humanely as possible. You keep them in prison for the rest of their lives and give them adequate physical and mental stimulation in accordance with them being humans. I really don't understand why respecting human rights is controversial.