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#52 May 22 2009 at 8:28 AM Rating: Excellent
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I hate kids. People tell me:

"It's different when they're your own!"

And then I read stories like this and know they are dead wrong.
It is different when they're your own; it's against the law to just @#%^ing walk away. Smiley: schooled


Have to say, that made me laugh . There have been plenty of tricky times where I would have loved to just walk away from being a parent for a few days . Have to say though, never considered actually killing the little demon yet though :)
As much as I joke, I don't really hate children. Some of them are downright pleasant. I've even babysat for friends and neighbors and enjoyed my time. I have absolutely no desire for a child of my own, nor to "be a mother," or anything like that. It might be 100% true that having a kid would change me and I'd love little Snotleigh to every corner of my heart, but truth be told, I don't fancy changing. I'm rather fond of myself as I am.

The fact that I'm vocal about my avoidance of parenthood often leads to irritating conversations with people, though. One coworker of mine spent the better part of an hour trying to convince me that, no, my opinion is incorrect and that deep down I really do want to be a mom. I said, there's no way I'd ever have a child, to which she responded, "But what if you got pregnant by accident?" Well, Petunia, I don't generally sleep with men, and if by some miracle a flock of errant sperm managed to infiltrate Planet Fallopia, that doesn't mean I have to carry the kid to term. This earned me a patented Shocked Parent Look, and a thankful respite from her womb-badgering.

Fact is, the one scare I ever did have left me feeling a little glum and disappointed when it turned out to be a false alarm. Imagine how much rabid feminist street cred a visit to Dr. Hoover would have bought me?
#53 May 22 2009 at 9:10 AM Rating: Decent
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Pensive the Ludicrous wrote:
I don't understand why ordinarily rational people abandon their sense of justice and become bloodthirsty vigilantes when a @#%^ing child is involved.

Who are these "ordinarily rational people" you refer to?
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#54 May 22 2009 at 9:23 AM Rating: Good
Mindel would carry my baby to term if I ever impregnated her.
#55 May 22 2009 at 9:29 AM Rating: Excellent
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
Mindel would carry my baby to term if I ever impregnated her.
Only so we could devour its entrails together.
#56 May 22 2009 at 9:32 AM Rating: Excellent
Mindel wrote:
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
Mindel would carry my baby to term if I ever impregnated her.
Only so we could devour its entrails together.


I think first we should see if we can sell it to science. I mean, a kid that came from the union of two women I would think should be preserved for posterity.

And could probably net us a tidy sum.
#57 May 22 2009 at 9:40 AM Rating: Excellent
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
Mindel wrote:
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
Mindel would carry my baby to term if I ever impregnated her.
Only so we could devour its entrails together.


I think first we should see if we can sell it to science. I mean, a kid that came from the union of two women I would think should be preserved for posterity.

And could probably net us a tidy sum.
I wonder if we could get Varrus to officiate our wedding, considering our miraculous ability to procreate.
#58 May 22 2009 at 9:46 AM Rating: Excellent
Mindel wrote:
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
Mindel wrote:
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
Mindel would carry my baby to term if I ever impregnated her.
Only so we could devour its entrails together.


I think first we should see if we can sell it to science. I mean, a kid that came from the union of two women I would think should be preserved for posterity.

And could probably net us a tidy sum.
I wonder if we could get Varrus to officiate our wedding, considering our miraculous ability to procreate.


I dunno. But Gbaji should be our flower girl.
#59 May 22 2009 at 10:23 AM Rating: Good
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Pensive the Ludicrous wrote:
I don't understand why ordinarily rational people abandon their sense of justice and become bloodthirsty vigilantes when a @#%^ing child is involved.


We've gone over this like eighty bajillion times. It's because children are a sensitive topic, especially for parents. Anything that threatens them is met with a disproportionately violent response by the average joe.


/this.

Apparently Pensive you're the only one who can't grasp this concept.

Pensive wrote:
I don't understand why ordinarily rational people abandon their sense of justice and become bloodthirsty vigilantes when a @#%^ing child is involved.

Okay that's a lie; I understand it perfectly. It's still stupid.


What's the difference between Goggy & zepoodle and a really stupid ****?

Goggy and zepoodle are two stupid *****
#60 May 22 2009 at 11:55 AM Rating: Good
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Who are these "ordinarily rational people" you refer to?


Most people on this board.
#61 May 22 2009 at 12:18 PM Rating: Decent
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Pensive the Ludicrous wrote:
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Who are these "ordinarily rational people" you refer to?


Most people on this board.

April fools?
#62 May 23 2009 at 9:14 AM Rating: Excellent
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Pensive the Ludicrous wrote:
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Who are these "ordinarily rational people" you refer to?


Most people on this board.

The crack you are smoking, I would like some.
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#63 May 23 2009 at 10:31 AM Rating: Good
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First, I believe in the death penalty. However, I always liked the Russian version: Take the person sentenced to a room with a drain in the middle, and shoot them in the back of the head, and left to die there. Wash up and there ya go. Ammo's cheap, isn't it? And yes, it's cruel and inhuman, but at the same time doing this should be only for those with no hope of rehabilitation or control. Charles Manson is the type I'm thinking of.

Second, this woman does not deserve the death penalty. Yes, that feral, protective side of me would love to rip her to pieces for murdering a defenseless child, especially her own. But first, she's seeking death. It wouldn't be a punishment. Her punishment would be to rehabilitate her, and make her understand what she did, then force her to live with it the rest of her life.

Third, we are protective of children out of instinct. They are (normally) defenseless, and unable to save themselves. They have rarely, if ever, done something to deserve to die. So we feel a greater sense of anger due to the fact that the life was taken without reason, without a chance to see more of life, and in a way that is monstrous to our view.
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#64 May 23 2009 at 10:44 AM Rating: Good
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Several people have mentioned defenselessness as a condition that makes the murder worse. That makes no sense. So a murder is less bad if it's committed against a guy with large biceps as opposed to a skinny one?

To me, the only quality that really makes child murder worse is the length of the life cut short. (Perhaps also their relative innocence, although I haven't worked that aspect out in my head yet.)

#65 May 23 2009 at 10:51 AM Rating: Excellent
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A victim that can defend themselves gets (slightly) less sympathy because they can try to change the course of events.

Children, the elderly, the extremely ill, they lack that ability if someone has determined to kill them. As such, we view the killer as even more cruel and inhuman, for choosing a victim that had no ability to defend themselves.

It's the old "pick on someone your own size" ideology.

Edit:

I had another thought in regard to this: We also hate those that abuse the power they wield, whether that be political, financial, or physical.

No one would have pity for me, a 5' 9" overweight guy, if I walked up and picked a fight with some UFC fighter. However, if the same UFC fighter came up and just started beating on me, people would be sympathetic to my plight and spiteful to the fighter for attacking someone definitely not able to defend themselves.

Edited, May 23rd 2009 2:59pm by Pawkeshup
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#66 May 23 2009 at 11:00 AM Rating: Good
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Oh, I understand the reasoning behind it. It's an emotional reaction. But it doesn't make rational sense.

#67 May 23 2009 at 11:02 AM Rating: Excellent
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trickybeck wrote:

Oh, I understand the reasoning behind it. It's an emotional reaction. But it doesn't make rational sense.

Well Mr. Spock, humans are emotional beings, after all.
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#68 May 23 2009 at 1:31 PM Rating: Decent
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Well Mr. Spock, humans are emotional beings, after all.


Justice isn't
#69 May 23 2009 at 1:38 PM Rating: Excellent
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Pensive the Ludicrous wrote:
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Well Mr. Spock, humans are emotional beings, after all.


Justice isn't
But juries and judges are.

Emotion may not affect the charges, but it will affect the sentence.
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#70 May 23 2009 at 1:43 PM Rating: Decent
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how explicit do I have to be?

Of course they are.

They should not be.
#71 May 23 2009 at 2:49 PM Rating: Decent
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Pensive the Ludicrous wrote:
how explicit do I have to be?

Of course they are.

They should not be.
Then let machines decide the fate of the accused.
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Olorinus the Ludicrous wrote:
The idea of old school is way more interesting than the reality
#72 May 23 2009 at 3:34 PM Rating: Decent
Pawkeshup the Vile wrote:
Pensive the Ludicrous wrote:
how explicit do I have to be?

Of course they are.

They should not be.
Then let machines decide the fate of the accused.


Oh, are we playing Point Counter Fallacy? That's my favourite game!

Say, I can't help notice you're breathing air right now. You know who else breathed air? ADOLF HITLER.
#73 May 23 2009 at 3:44 PM Rating: Good
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Kavekk wrote:
Pawkeshup the Vile wrote:
Pensive the Ludicrous wrote:
how explicit do I have to be?

Of course they are.

They should not be.
Then let machines decide the fate of the accused.


Oh, are we playing Point Counter Fallacy? That's my favourite game!

Say, I can't help notice you're breathing air right now. You know who else breathed air? ADOLF HITLER.
Asking people to not be swayed by emotions is akin to asking the sun to stop rising. It's just the way it is, and no matter what you do, you can't take the emotional edge of the decision making process short of mind-altering drugs and brain surgery.
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#74 May 23 2009 at 6:10 PM Rating: Decent
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Asking people to not be swayed by emotions is akin to asking the sun to stop rising. It's just the way it is, and no matter what you do, you can't take the emotional edge of the decision making process short of mind-altering drugs and brain surgery.


Congrats on embracing the second most pernicious perspective possible concerning justice.
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Pensive the Ludicrous wrote:
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Asking people to not be swayed by emotions is akin to asking the sun to stop rising. It's just the way it is, and no matter what you do, you can't take the emotional edge of the decision making process short of mind-altering drugs and brain surgery.


Congrats on embracing the second most pernicious perspective possible concerning justice.
Accepting human inperfection equates to destruction of justice?

You want a rational, unemotional evaluation of facts, you need to use a computer. It will show no bias, make no leaps of faith, and take no risk. It will add up the facts it is fed, and produce a result. Whether that result is appropriate or not is irrelevant to you, apparently. Justice is blind, it holds only to the facts.

However, if you want actual humans to judge, you need to deal with human bias. We love, we hate. We show fear, and we show courage. We are never able to lock away that part of ourselves that brings up emotion unless we are broken in some fashion, either through birth defect, accident, surgery or medication.

But while bias works against justice, causing us to condemn someone more harshly, it also works for justice, and allows us to show kindness and fairness to those who act rashly. If we judged as you would want us to judge, all murderers would receive the same sentence regardless of severity. You kill, you get X years, or life imprisonment. But because our justice system integrates the human component, and not some highly mechanical series of calculations, each case is judged honestly on its merits.

You can argue that this is not true, pure justice until the heavens fall from the sky, but I defy you to bring forward a fair alternative in whicn cold, emotionless reason can deliver just sentences for all situations.
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#76 May 23 2009 at 6:43 PM Rating: Default
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Accepting human inperfection equates to destruction of justice?


No, totally destroying justice is what political realism does. Naturalistic acceptance is one step before that.

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If we judged as you would want us to judge, all murderers would receive the same sentence regardless of severity. You kill, you get X years, or life imprisonment.


Severity can be systematized, and having compassion is not incompatible with justice. True justice can only happen in fact in the presence of unconditional love and respect of the worth of the criminal.
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