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#1 May 21 2009 at 1:38 PM Rating: Excellent
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...for a mother who smothers her sleeping child.


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"What makes this story especially sad was when asked the reason why she took Ty's life, Tiffany said that she did not want him to grow up with no one caring about him the same way that she had grown up with no one caring about her," said Police Chief Ray Schultz, his eyes watery and his voice thick with emotion.

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The police chief said Toribio told detectives that she suffocated her son in Alvarado Park before dawn on May 13 by putting her hand over his mouth and nose. She said she had second thoughts and performed CPR on the boy, resuscitating him, but reconsidered and smothered him again. Investigators said she then buried him under the climbing gym's hanging bridge, where the body was found two days later.



Words fail me. I am quite willing to suspend my general objection to the death penalty here.
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#2 May 21 2009 at 1:43 PM Rating: Good
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She said she had second thoughts and performed CPR on the boy, resuscitating him, but reconsidered and smothered him again.


This is one of the funniest things I've read in my life.
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I was horrified when I read that on CNN's website. My husband remarked that since she had tried to commit suicide that she'd probably try the insanity defense but my opinion, is that it is pretty clear that she thought things out; She used CPR to bring him back and then suffocated him AGAIN.

evil evil evil woman :(
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#4 May 21 2009 at 1:49 PM Rating: Decent
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I am quite willing to suspend my general objection to the death penalty here.


I'm not.
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#5 May 21 2009 at 1:51 PM Rating: Excellent
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Big deal. Mothers are by a huge margin the people most likely to murder children.
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#6 May 21 2009 at 1:51 PM Rating: Excellent
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Oh I think she's pretty clearly mentally ill, but since our "justice system" rarely recognizes such things in a meaningful way, she'll likely just be thrown in a cell for the rest of her life...never fear.

Don't get me wrong, what she did is absolutely horrific, but it's obvious to me that she sounds nutty as a fruit cake.

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Big deal. Mothers are by a huge margin the people most likely to murder children.


And Democrats think it's their right.
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#8 May 21 2009 at 1:57 PM Rating: Good
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And Democrats think it's their right.

Good one.

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#9 May 21 2009 at 1:58 PM Rating: Decent
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Oh I think she's pretty clearly mentally ill, but since our "justice system" rarely recognizes such things in a meaningful way, she'll likely just be thrown in a cell for the rest of her life...never fear.

Don't get me wrong, what she did is absolutely horrific, but it's obvious to me that she sounds nutty as a fruit cake.

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She was aware of what she did. If mental illness were black and white, yes she was ill but I think she is well enough to stand trial and understand that what she did was wrong.

In regards to being sent to jail. AT least from what I learned in my recent criminal behavior psych class, jails seem to be over utilized for the mentally ill. Also, if she does somehow get deemed insane, her time spent in a mental institution will be far longer than any jail sentence.
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#10 May 21 2009 at 2:02 PM Rating: Good
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Big deal. Mothers are by a huge margin the people most likely to murder children.


And Democrats think it's their right.


I thought it was the other way around? The whole conservative "Seen but not heard" "I own you" "I brought you into this world, I can take you out of it" mentality.
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In regards to being sent to jail. AT least from what I learned in my recent criminal behavior psych class, jails seem to be over utilized for the mentally ill. Also, if she does somehow get deemed insane, her time spent in a mental institution will be far longer than any jail sentence.

For first degree murder? I think you're applying general statistics to a specific situation. Not a good idea.

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Disgusting.

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This seems more like 2nd degree murder to me. Given that she reconsidered and then reconsidered again, it doesn't really seem like a planned and premeditated action. Intended yes.

hmmm, realizing this is the states I looked up the US degrees of murder, and you guys seem to have a broader definition of first degree murder then we do, so I guess it could be first. You still have the premeditated tag though.

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She said she had second thoughts and performed CPR on the boy, resuscitating him, but reconsidered and smothered him again.


This is one of the funniest things I've read in my life.


It really is.

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Smasharoo wrote:

In regards to being sent to jail. AT least from what I learned in my recent criminal behavior psych class, jails seem to be over utilized for the mentally ill. Also, if she does somehow get deemed insane, her time spent in a mental institution will be far longer than any jail sentence.

For first degree murder? I think you're applying general statistics to a specific situation. Not a good idea.



Possibly. I'd need to do some more research but I wasn't the bathtub drowning mother also 1st degree? While she is initially charged, will that be what she ends up with after pleading?

An insanity defense doesn't seem that easy to accomplish anymore. Also, depending on her state she could be found Guilty but "insane". (some states seem to have that classification as opposed to guilty or "insane")
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Possibly. I'd need to do some more research but I wasn't the bathtub drowning mother also 1st degree? While she is initially charged, will that be what she ends up with after pleading?

An insanity defense doesn't seem that easy to accomplish anymore. Also, depending on her state she could be found Guilty but "insane". (some states seem to have that classification as opposed to guilty or "insane")

Yeah, bla bla. The salient point is that people who are found NGBROA for murder don't serve less time than people found guilty and subject to mandatory life sentences.

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#17 May 21 2009 at 2:52 PM Rating: Decent
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Possibly. I'd need to do some more research but I wasn't the bathtub drowning mother also 1st degree? While she is initially charged, will that be what she ends up with after pleading?

An insanity defense doesn't seem that easy to accomplish anymore. Also, depending on her state she could be found Guilty but "insane". (some states seem to have that classification as opposed to guilty or "insane")

Yeah, bla bla. The salient point is that people who are found NGBROA for murder don't serve less time than people found guilty and subject to mandatory life sentences.



thats what I said. Mentally ill defense ends up being much more time served. It's pretty screwed up.
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#18 May 21 2009 at 2:54 PM Rating: Decent
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Mentally ill defense ends up being much more time served. It's pretty screwed up.

No, I screwed up. I mean they don't serve more time. What with it being difficult to serve more than life.
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Smasharoo wrote:

Mentally ill defense ends up being much more time served. It's pretty screwed up.

No, I screwed up. I mean they don't serve more time. What with it being difficult to serve more than life.


I have to say, I respect the USA for the fact that, over there, life means life . Over here, it means an average of 13.7 years .

Of course, I'm also of the view that if someone confesses to a murder, we should shoot them in the head and save some money for the taxpayers .
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Yeah, I'd certainly confess under those conditions.

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Why would you do it in the first place? I can't imagine the thought process she must have had going on to justify smothering him a second time. I don't even know what to say, I'm saddened for both mother and child but just feeling disillusioned as to the state of humanity that you could kill your own child TWICE.
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The most ****** up thing about this is that it's actually a pretty standard case of child murder.
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#23 May 21 2009 at 7:52 PM Rating: Excellent
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I hate kids. People tell me:

"It's different when they're your own!"

And then I read stories like this and know they are dead wrong.
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#24 May 21 2009 at 8:10 PM Rating: Excellent
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Hell is too good for people like this. Limbo would be better.
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Hell is too good for people like this. Limbo would be better.


This Limbo?
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Why would you do it in the first place? I can't imagine the thought process she must have had going on to justify smothering him a second time. I don't even know what to say, I'm saddened for both mother and child but just feeling disillusioned as to the state of humanity that you could kill your own child TWICE.


Says the woman that would cut her child out of her life for smoking some grass.

Some people are just fucking stupid and crazy.
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