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#1 May 21 2009 at 9:24 AM Rating: Decent

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The other participant said Mr. Obama did not seem to be thinking about preventive detention for terrorism suspects now held at GuantÃ¡namo Bay, but rather for those captured in the future, in settings other than a legitimate battlefield like Afghanistan. â€œThe issue is,â€ the participant said, â€œWhat are the options left open to a future president?â€

LMAO...wonder if the libs are going to raise a fuss about these people being denied their "human rights" like they did for W.

In related news muslims, homegrown from the US prison system, were thwarted in their attempt to bomb two synagoges and shoot a plane out of the sky. Good thing W was in office when the NY FBI began surveillence on these muslim terrorists over a year ago.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/21/us/politics/21obama.html?_r=1&hpw

Page 18 NY Times.

Edited, May 21st 2009 1:25pm by publiusvarus

#2 May 21 2009 at 9:33 AM Rating: Excellent

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According to the article they already are raising a fuss. That's what the article is about.

Edited, May 21st 2009 12:33pm by Xsarus

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#3 May 21 2009 at 9:45 AM Rating: Excellent

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This thread title makes me think that the original poster failed to read his quoted article.

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Smiley: disappointed

I thought varus had turned a corner.

#5 May 21 2009 at 9:47 AM Rating: Good

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Virus missing the obvious? Whudda thunk it?

#6 May 21 2009 at 9:49 AM Rating: Decent

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Corner? What Obama's doing is exactly what you people have been ******** about W doing over the last how many years? Not only that but placing radical muslims in the US prison system gives them a chance to spread their message to other US inmates. I can't believe you all are willfully ignoring this.

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publiusvarus wrote:

Boon,

Corner? What Obama's doing is exactly what you people have been ******** about W doing over the last how many years? Not only that but placing radical muslims in the US prison system gives them a chance to spread their message to other US inmates. I can't believe you all are willfully ignoring this.

So you're saying the US prison system is an ineffective rehabilitation method?

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Heheh, change you can believe in indeed!

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publiusvarus wrote:

I can't believe you all are willfully ignoring this.

I can, however, believe that you wouldn't be praising Obama for it as you praised Bush.

Given that nothing's been determined yet and you're quoting one notion that's getting kicked around among others, I'm saving my righteous outrage for, you know, when something's been decided to be outraged about.

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publiusvarus wrote:

Boon,

Corner? What Obama's doing is exactly what you people have been ******** about W doing over the last how many years? Not only that but placing radical muslims in the US prison system gives them a chance to spread their message to other US inmates. I can't believe you all are willfully ignoring this.

Who's ignoring this? I love that you posted an article about people criticizing Obama and pointing out potential pitfalls, and then somehow that's evidence that no one is criticizing Obama. Note also that nothing has actually happened yet, it's an article speculating on possible outcomes. Smiley: laugh

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#11 May 21 2009 at 10:32 AM Rating: Decent

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Didn't we* talk about prisons and why they are ineffective very recently?

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LMAO...wonder if the libs are going to raise a fuss about these people being denied their "human rights" like they did for W.

They are. Half the diaries over at Daily Kos have been about this very thing.

Unlike the Republicans, we like to hold our Presidents accountable for their actions.

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Jophed,

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I'm saving my righteous outrage for, you know, when something's been decided to be outraged about.

That's the difference between the GOP and the Dems; we believe what we believe without relying on public polls to determine how we should think.

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NY Times p 18...being held accountable indeed.

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care to answer my question varrus?

Also another question, what exactly are we supposed to be outraged about atm? I'm sort of puzzled because by all accounts Obama hasn't actually made up his mind about what he's going to do. I mean you can criticize the one outcome, which people are doing, but it's hard to get all mad about a non-existent problem.

I assume you're thrilled with the potential decision? Go Obama or something?

heh, I didn't edit fast enough, I added another question.

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#16 May 21 2009 at 11:13 AM Rating: Decent

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Xarus,

I did in my previous post responding to the same point. Putting something in small print on the back of a newspaper is hardly being held accountable for something.

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That's the difference between the GOP and the Dems; we believe what we believe without relying on public polls to determine how we should think.

Apparently you believe in getting outraged over things that haven't happened yet.

Well.... wait a second... gay marriage will lead to incestual polygamy... handgun restrictions will lead to the revocation of the 2nd Amendment... TARP will lead to the US becoming a Scandinavian state...

Ok, so actually I already knew you guys liked to get outraged over stuff that exists in a theoretical future.

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publiusvarus wrote:

That's the difference between the GOP and the Dems; we believe what we believe without relying on public polls to determine how we should think.

Apparently you believe in getting outraged over things that haven't happened yet.

Lot of conservatives writing on Daily KOS?

Gee. If only someone had predicted that Obama's opposition to detainees (Gitmo or otherwise) was just talk and that the reality was more difficult? If only someone had pointed out that he was promising something he wasn't going to be able to deliver? If only someone had voiced skepticism about the "change" Obama was promising, maybe, just maybe, we might have known about this sooner!

Sorry. This is just too amusing. Well. Less amusing in that so many people bought the line of Bull and elected him anyway, but amusing as people wake up and realize it for the first time. Yeah. All us conservatives were just crazy when we predicted more or less this exact result last year...

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Lot of conservatives writing on Daily KOS?

Lot of nuts, I'm sure. I never read it.

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Gee. If only someone had predicted that Obama's opposition to detainees (Gitmo or otherwise) was just talk and that the reality was more difficult?

The two aren't mutually exclusive. You can be honestly dedicated to doing something and find it difficult to do well. In fact, part of why I'm not all worked up is because I have more faith in him to try to find the best balance between getting it done quickly and getting in done right than I ever had in the last guy who really wasn't interested in getting it done at all.

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The Iraqis announced they would re-open Abu Grahib the day after Obama announced he would shutter Gitmo.

Sometimes the lesser of two evils is......lesser

Sometimes its just Evil.

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Nah, the only conservatives on Kos are trolls. The point is that there IS a lot of liberal outrage over the fact Obama isn't doing what the progressives want him to do about the detainees, and some fear that he's doing to do the same crap Bush & Co did - ignore the Constitution.

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and some fear that he's doing to do the same crap Bush & Co did - ignore the Constitution.

This is where the libs have it all wrong. These terrorists don't have US constitutional rights. The GOP knows this, h*ll so do the democrats evidenced by Pelosi's big "I don't recall" defense on waterboarding.

What's sad is the liberals know they control the media and whatever agenda they want pushed will be pushed. Then after the fact they'll simply re-define the terminology and act as if they're somehow abiding by the constitution whereas the mean old GOP are a bunch of lawless thugs. That so many americans fall for this is a scathing indictment on our public school systems.

Edited, May 22nd 2009 10:23am by publiusvarus

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The only significant danger we face from terrorists is the erosion of our ideals.

Terrorism is nothing but a political tool, like gay marriage. In a war of ideologies there can be no real triumph, and altering our own to sate the vengeance-born blood-lust of our most cowardly citizens is the only path to defeat. That's why terrorists deserve no special handling, because by doing so we demonstrate a lack of conviction, and if we don't believe our established processes are just than why should anyone else?

That's why these recent quasi-reversals bother me. Nothing we do can assure more of our citizens won't die at the hands of madmen with conviction, but we can at least die honorably rather than drowning on our own ****.

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Well put BT. If we stoop to their level we become no better then them.

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But if we didn't have terrorism laws, how would we lock people up for months on end with no evidence?

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What is your point?

Obama said he was going to close Gitmo.
Clinton said she was going to close Gitmo.
McCain said he was going to close Gitmo.

So there is not a single viable Presidential candidate who was going to do anything different than what Obama is doing, so what is your point?

We should have elected someone else who would do the exact same thing?

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