http://www.ketv.com/cnn-news/19474067/detail.html
I'm not sure how I would react, you hear about how some transgendered "knew" at a young age they didn't fit, but 8 still seems awfully young to me.
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Transgender stuff is just weird to me.
I mean, even within that article, there's contradiction of logic.
Then:
Why can't a boy be enamored with girly stuff? How the ****, at 8 years old, do you know enough about gender to make distinctions?
I'm all for alternative lifestyles and what-have-you, but this **** always baffles me.
I mean, even within that article, there's contradiction of logic.
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“She’s been a girl since the beginning, everything about her, the way she dances and skips around and the things she’s attracted to. It’s more than toys and clothes,â€
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“Now I can wear nail polish, get rid of all my boy clothes and not worry about that name,†the child said.
Why can't a boy be enamored with girly stuff? How the ****, at 8 years old, do you know enough about gender to make distinctions?
I'm all for alternative lifestyles and what-have-you, but this **** always baffles me.
I don't think it's fair to consider transgender or transsexual people as necessarily living alternative lifestyles. It's hard to know what life is like for someone whose experience of it is so vastly different from yours.
That sounds about right, actually. Gender identity starts developing very young, and while it may take a few years for someone to realize they're not comfortable the way they are told to behave, around 7 or 8 is when gender differentiation is in full force in children. Members of the opposite sex have cooties, and adults actively enforce desired gendered behavior and discourage undesired behavior. I was told I wasn't allowed to have Micro Machines for many years because they were boys toys :(
From the article, it sounds like this child is incredibly happy.
Billy Elliot is a wonderful example of this . . . I think they are 10 years old in the movie, but his best friend is already pretty sure he's gay, and we're treated to a wonderfully funny scene of him in his sister's clothes. (Billy is also pretty sure he is straight, despite his love of ballet - "I'm not a poof!")
Also, in the manga Paradise Kiss, Isabella was seven or eight when he discovered he was much more comfortable in girl's clothes - he was timid and shy as a boy, but much happier and freer as a girl. (Fortunately, his best friend George was already a budding clothing designer and kept him in a constant supply of dresses.)
From the article, it sounds like this child is incredibly happy.
Billy Elliot is a wonderful example of this . . . I think they are 10 years old in the movie, but his best friend is already pretty sure he's gay, and we're treated to a wonderfully funny scene of him in his sister's clothes. (Billy is also pretty sure he is straight, despite his love of ballet - "I'm not a poof!")
Also, in the manga Paradise Kiss, Isabella was seven or eight when he discovered he was much more comfortable in girl's clothes - he was timid and shy as a boy, but much happier and freer as a girl. (Fortunately, his best friend George was already a budding clothing designer and kept him in a constant supply of dresses.)
All the things described in that article were behavioral distinctions.
He skipped, he danced, he drew girly drawings and liked girly stuff. Maybe he just likes that stuff? If society hadn't assigned those things to a gender, there'd be no issue.
He skipped, he danced, he drew girly drawings and liked girly stuff. Maybe he just likes that stuff? If society hadn't assigned those things to a gender, there'd be no issue.
Well, sure the possibility exists that this is an effeminate male child rather than a transgendered child. I suppose at that point it's a matter of degree.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
Samira wrote:
Well, sure the possibility exists that this is an effeminate male child rather than a transgendered child. I suppose at that point it's a matter of degree.
AshOnMyTomatoes wrote:
All the things described in that article were behavioral distinctions.
He skipped, he danced, he drew girly drawings and liked girly stuff. Maybe he just likes that stuff? If society hadn't assigned those things to a gender, there'd be no issue.
He skipped, he danced, he drew girly drawings and liked girly stuff. Maybe he just likes that stuff? If society hadn't assigned those things to a gender, there'd be no issue.
AshOnMyTomatoes wrote:
Samira wrote:
Well, sure the possibility exists that this is an effeminate male child rather than a transgendered child. I suppose at that point it's a matter of degree.
The... matter of degree? Like most things, gender identity is on a continuum. (In my opinion, of course.)
I'm not an expert in the field. I would leave that evaluation up to them. However if someone, even a child, tells me she's a girl, then as far as I'm concerned she's a girl.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
Samira wrote:
AshOnMyTomatoes wrote:
Samira wrote:
Well, sure the possibility exists that this is an effeminate male child rather than a transgendered child. I suppose at that point it's a matter of degree.
The... matter of degree? Like most things, gender identity is on a continuum. (In my opinion, of course.)
I'm not an expert in the field. I would leave that evaluation up to them. However if someone, even a child, tells me she's a girl, then as far as I'm concerned she's a girl.
You're telling us at this late date that you're trans species?
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
Samira wrote:
You're telling us at this late date that you're trans species?
AshOnMyTomatoes wrote:
Samira wrote:
AshOnMyTomatoes wrote:
Samira wrote:
Well, sure the possibility exists that this is an effeminate male child rather than a transgendered child. I suppose at that point it's a matter of degree.
The... matter of degree? Like most things, gender identity is on a continuum. (In my opinion, of course.)
I'm not an expert in the field. I would leave that evaluation up to them. However if someone, even a child, tells me she's a girl, then as far as I'm concerned she's a girl.
You should see me trying to drink from a pond.
Every Transgender person I've talked to has a story about being a toddler and knowing their gender didn't fit into their body. Some of the saddest stories are of how some would pray each night to wake up as the gender they identified as.
By the age of 8, I'm sure my ex was a mess mentally, growing up as a girl in a boy's body in the 50's. I know she got all the normal boy toys at Christmas, but wished for the dolls and other girl toys that her sister got. You can tell, by her school and family photos, how uncomfortable she was as a guy. Even as an adult though, the damage her father did insisting she live her life as male, made it hard for her to accept being transgender. I had to insist that she needed to be able to live as an woman and since she wasn't the person I married the marriage was over. "He" was abusive and had anger issues that still come out at times, but I know I did the right thing in telling her to be a woman so to be finally happy in their body.
The younger transgender people I knew, were much happier in their bodies if their parents were accepting of them. From my experience in the community, it's my opinion that they are better off mentally the earlier they are allowed to live as the gender which they identified themselves as.
By the age of 8, I'm sure my ex was a mess mentally, growing up as a girl in a boy's body in the 50's. I know she got all the normal boy toys at Christmas, but wished for the dolls and other girl toys that her sister got. You can tell, by her school and family photos, how uncomfortable she was as a guy. Even as an adult though, the damage her father did insisting she live her life as male, made it hard for her to accept being transgender. I had to insist that she needed to be able to live as an woman and since she wasn't the person I married the marriage was over. "He" was abusive and had anger issues that still come out at times, but I know I did the right thing in telling her to be a woman so to be finally happy in their body.
The younger transgender people I knew, were much happier in their bodies if their parents were accepting of them. From my experience in the community, it's my opinion that they are better off mentally the earlier they are allowed to live as the gender which they identified themselves as.
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Why can't a boy be enamored with girly stuff? How the @#%^, at 8 years old, do you know enough about gender to make distinctions?
Do you react with the same skepticism when you hear that people can, in retrospect, recognize their sexual orientation even earlier than 8?
Wint wrote:
http://www.ketv.com/cnn-news/19474067/detail.html
I'm not sure how I would react, you hear about how some transgendered "knew" at a young age they didn't fit, but 8 still seems awfully young to me.
I'm not sure how I would react, you hear about how some transgendered "knew" at a young age they didn't fit, but 8 still seems awfully young to me.
No it doesn't. Gender identity formation actually starts at a very, very young age and definitely before elementary school. I think if we have more parents aware of their children's trans-identities, we'll have alot fewer neurotic and depressed transadults, who never had to live a life where there was no safety or opportunity to discuss their identity or share with others. I think it's important that kids are able to live the lives they want---and maybe the more sophisticated we get,the gender binary won't be so intense and more and more, we'll have a society that tolerates gender variances.
Turin wrote:
Seriously, what the f*ck nature?
If you want to spend 95 cents, listen to this podcast:
http://www.thisamericanlife.org/Radio_Episode.aspx?sched=1283
Edited, May 19th 2009 3:51pm by Annabella
http://www.thisamericanlife.org/Radio_Episode.aspx?sched=1283
Edited, May 19th 2009 3:51pm by Annabella
Turin wrote:
Seriously, what the f*ck nature?
95 cents! are you trying to bleed me dry woman?!
Isn't This American Life a free podcast on iTunes?
AshOnMyTomatoes wrote:
All the things described in that article were behavioral distinctions.
He skipped, he danced, he drew girly drawings and liked girly stuff. Maybe he just likes that stuff? If society hadn't assigned those things to a gender, there'd be no issue.
He skipped, he danced, he drew girly drawings and liked girly stuff. Maybe he just likes that stuff? If society hadn't assigned those things to a gender, there'd be no issue.
I find it completely fascinating that you seem to know this child better than she knows herself.
Anna,
Have you considered that they're neurotic as adults because of their confusion as children? This is nothing more than the homosexual agenda's ongoing war to normalize deviant behaviour. The ACLU is suing Knox county schools because homosexual websites are being blocked. This is a movement in every city and town to normalize immoral/deviant behaviour. The homosexual community is in outright attack mode on traditional american family values.
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I think if we have more parents aware of their children's trans-identities, we'll have alot fewer neurotic and depressed transadults,
Have you considered that they're neurotic as adults because of their confusion as children? This is nothing more than the homosexual agenda's ongoing war to normalize deviant behaviour. The ACLU is suing Knox county schools because homosexual websites are being blocked. This is a movement in every city and town to normalize immoral/deviant behaviour. The homosexual community is in outright attack mode on traditional american family values.
Well, hey, if they're only 3% of the population what's the problem? That's negligible.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
Samy,
And ***** made up how much of the population? Not only that the ***** don't have anything on the liberal media as a way for pushing their views onto people.
And ***** made up how much of the population? Not only that the ***** don't have anything on the liberal media as a way for pushing their views onto people.
publiusvarus wrote:
Samy,
And ***** made up how much of the population? Not only that the ***** don't have anything on the liberal media as a way for pushing their views onto people.
And ***** made up how much of the population? Not only that the ***** don't have anything on the liberal media as a way for pushing their views onto people.
According to the Allsenbach Institute, about 30% in the 1940s in Germany.
When gay people start putting the rest of us in fabulously decorated concentration camps, let me know.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
baelnic wrote:
Isn't This American Life a free podcast on iTunes?
Yes, but past episodes cost 95 cents.
Turin wrote:
Seriously, what the f*ck nature?
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