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#1 May 18 2009 at 2:07 AM Rating: Good
When immigrants come to the UK and decide to become citizens, they have to swear a pledge of allegiance, to the Monarch and to some sort of deity, which goes something like this: "I swear by Almighty God to solemnly, sincerely and truly affirm and declare that, on becoming a British citizen, I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II, her heirs, and successors."

I find it strange that people who come to the UK should pledge allegiance to an arguably non-existent God, and to an unarguably unelected monarch. I always thought I would find difficult to take this oath with a straight face, or with any kind of sincerity. I have, however, stumbled a Pledge of Allegiance that I would happily recite. And so, without further ado, here;s my pledge of Allegiance, shamelessly stolen from Johann Hari:



"I pledge allegiance to the Queen Vic, not Queen Elizabeth. I pledge allegiance to Coronation Street, not Downing Street. I pledge allegiance to The Office, not the office of Prime Minister. I pledge allegiance to the Life of Brian, not the Life of Christ. I pledge allegiance to Marmite – and to people who can talk for hours about precisely why they hate Marmite.

"I pledge allegiance to deep-fried Mars bars, cold doner kebabs, and girls who wear mini-skirts in sub-zero temperatures. I pledge allegiance to the NHS, the BBC, and M&S. I pledge allegiance to Shakespeare and to the belief that "there are more things on heaven and earth than are dreamed of in your philosophy, Horatio".

"I pledge allegiance to Radio 4 documentaries about the history of drinking water, told in six parts. I pledge allegiance to George Orwell, George Formby, George Eliot, and George Michael. I pledge allegiance to the Notting Hill Carnival, the Edinburgh Festival, and the people who – for no reason at all – wander around Glastonbury dressed as giant pigeons.

"I pledge allegiance to our national dish, chicken tikka masala. I pledge allegiance to the people who sell candy floss on muddy beaches on muggy days. I pledge allegiance to fog and hail and rain, and to people who wear three layers of clothing and shed them and put them back on several times a day, each time declaring with an optimistic smile, "The weather's lovely today".

"I pledge allegiance to the Beatles and the conviction that life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans. I pledge allegiance to queuing, and to the people who tut and cluck and scrunch their faces when anybody tries to push in. I pledge allegiance to William Wallace played by an Australian and Gandhi played by an Englishman.

"I pledge allegiance to Fawlty Towers and faulty trains and that small, almost silent sigh that shudders across a carriage when the train stops for no reason in empty fields. I pledge allegiance to the wrong kind of snow.

"I pledge allegiance to the fact that the London Olympics in 2012 will be messier and shabbier and far more prone to disruption by protesters than the Beijing Olympics, and to English Premiership, the greatest soap opera every not written.

"I pledge allegiance to the boys who died in the mud at Normandy so I could be free. I pledge allegiance to the women who slept in the mud at Greenham Common so I would not burn. I pledge allegiance to Ateeque Sharifi, who came here as a refugee from Taliban Afghanistan, only to be blown up by Talibanists on the Circle Line. I pledge allegiance to everyone who drives an ambulance or teaches a child on this rainy island for paltry wages because they know it's the right thing to do.

"I pledge allegiance to the people of Britain, not because they're the best in the world, but because they're mine."

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That's mine.

What's yours?


Edited, May 18th 2009 10:18am by RedPhoenixxx
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#2 May 18 2009 at 2:11 AM Rating: Decent
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I pledge allegiance to the women who slept in the mud at Greenham Common so gays would not burn


Err wut? Smiley: dubious
#3 May 18 2009 at 2:18 AM Rating: Good
Yeah, some things get lost in cut and paste.

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#4 May 18 2009 at 2:41 AM Rating: Good
You need to stop posting stuff that makes me cry, mate.
#5 May 18 2009 at 3:01 AM Rating: Decent
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RedPhoenixxx wrote:
Yeah, some things get lost in cut and paste.


Weird how it 'stitched' that sentence together.

I wouldn't pledge to that I'm afraid, although I can see he is comically connecting with the disenfranchised sofa generation. I had to swear allegiance to Liz, but being Welsh I would like to pledge allegiance to Wales.
#6 May 18 2009 at 3:12 AM Rating: Good
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I wouldn't pledge to that I'm afraid, although I can see he is comically connecting with the disenfranchised sofa generation. I had to swear allegiance to Liz, but being Welsh I would like to pledge allegiance to Wales.


Sure Einstein, well done.

The whole point of the piece was that you'd pledge allegiance to specific aspects of a culture that matter to you, that you find poignant and peculiar, that you don't necessarily find in other countries, and that have more personal resonance than some arbitrary, remote, and intangible concept such as a flag or a country or some old **** in an old people's home with jewellery on his head.

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#7 May 18 2009 at 3:35 AM Rating: Decent
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RedPhoenixxx wrote:
Goggy wrote:
I wouldn't pledge to that I'm afraid, although I can see he is comically connecting with the disenfranchised sofa generation. I had to swear allegiance to Liz, but being Welsh I would like to pledge allegiance to Wales.


Sure Einstein, well done.

The whole point of the piece was that you'd pledge allegiance to specific aspects of a culture that matter to you, that you find poignant and peculiar, that you don't necessarily find in other countries, and that have more personal resonance than some arbitrary, remote, and intangible concept such as a flag or a country or some old **** in an old people's home with jewellery on his head.



Do I need to list the aspects of Welsh culture?

Grumpy cnut.
#8 May 18 2009 at 3:44 AM Rating: Excellent
Goggy wrote:
Do I need to list the aspects of Welsh culture?

Grumpy cnut.


And how long would that take, 10 seconds?

Lazy cunt.



Don't though. If I want a straight-up list of Welsh cultural interest, I can go to the Wales tourist board internet site.
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#9 May 18 2009 at 4:15 AM Rating: Good
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RedPhoenixxx wrote:
Goggy wrote:
Do I need to list the aspects of Welsh culture?

Grumpy cnut.


And how long would that take, 10 seconds?

Lazy cunt.



Don't though. If I want a straight-up list of Welsh cultural interest, I can go to the Wales tourist board internet site.


I missed the point, sue me.

Welsh cakes...unpronounceable names...rugby... Smiley: nod
#10 May 18 2009 at 4:39 AM Rating: Good
Goggy, do you speak Welsh?
#11 May 18 2009 at 4:44 AM Rating: Decent
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A very small amount. Generally I have to stretch back to CSE Welsh, which was a long time ago!
#12 May 18 2009 at 6:21 AM Rating: Good
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I pledge allegiance to Janis, Ronnie, Stevie Ray, Jimi, Kurt and Jim.
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#13 May 18 2009 at 6:33 AM Rating: Excellent
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I pledge allegiance to the fact that I live in a part of the country full of sanity and anger and Thank my diety everyday that I was born in neither fly-over country nor in the Bible belt, as they both suck and pray for the day that one of us will secede, allowing the Northeast to fly free and become the Cheese eating Eurofags that we were meant to be.
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#14 May 18 2009 at 6:49 AM Rating: Good
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The whole point of the piece was that you'd pledge allegiance to specific aspects of a culture that matter to you, that you find poignant and peculiar, that you don't necessarily find in other countries, and that have more personal resonance than some arbitrary, remote, and intangible concept such as a flag or a country or some old **** in an old people's home with jewellery on his head.


A flag is a symbol for a country which means different things to different people. The idea that this is the antithesis of flags, of symbolism, is uncharacteristically short-sighted of you. Do you see how such a pledge as this cannot work for everyone? Because it's specific, yes? That's why we have "intangible" symbols such as flags, which bring to mind things such as those listed in the OP - though different things for different people. I'm struggling to make this any simpler than it already is. The two are not in any way opposed.

As for the Queen and God, sure, if you like.

Edited, May 18th 2009 2:50pm by Kavekk
#15 May 18 2009 at 7:01 AM Rating: Decent
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So what exactly does the wrong sort of snow look like?
#16 May 18 2009 at 7:02 AM Rating: Good
Turin, Eater of Souls wrote:
So what exactly does the wrong sort of snow look like?


Yellow?
#17 May 18 2009 at 7:07 AM Rating: Good
Kavekk wrote:
I'm struggling to make this any simpler than it already is. The two are not in any way opposed.


I don't know why you'd feel the need to. I never said the concepts were fundamental opposite, just that, as an immigrant, this pledge was much more satisfying than the usual crap. Yes, I can see why the UK Government doesn't use this specific pledge. No, I don't think it should become national policy for allegiance pledges to be chosen by random journalists. When did it ever look like the OP was anything more than a sentimental, amusing and silly take on what it means to be British? I'm not Jeremy fucking Paxman.

Man, I know it's Monday, but still.

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So what exactly does the wrong sort of snow look like?


It's the kind that paralysed London for a few days earlier in the year. That was the excuse given for the paralysis by our Mayor.


Edited, May 18th 2009 3:09pm by RedPhoenixxx
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#18 May 18 2009 at 7:18 AM Rating: Good
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I pledge allegiance to my nation of tinkers and traders, hustlers and hucksters. I pledge allegiance to the tellers of tall tales, the dreamers of big dreams, the inveterate optimists who refuse to know they've been beaten, ever.

I pledge allegiance to the pioneers and the cowboys and to the tribal people who fought them. I pledge allegiance to small beginnings and open roads and starting over. I pledge allegiance to blended families, blended skin tones, blended cultures and cuisines.

I pledge allegiance to the beat poets, to the offbeat comedians, to the insistent beat of rock and roll. I pledge allegiance to sunny smiles and frenetic energy and casual well wishes to strangers. I pledge allegiance to the curious mix of innocence and ignorance that assumes every stranger is a new friend.

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#19 May 18 2009 at 7:23 AM Rating: Good
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I pledge allegiance to my nation of tinkers and traders, hustlers and hucksters. I pledge allegiance to the tellers of tall tales, the dreamers of big dreams, the inveterate optimists who refuse to know they've been beaten, ever.

I pledge allegiance to the pioneers and the cowboys and to the tribal people who fought them. I pledge allegiance to small beginnings and open roads and starting over. I pledge allegiance to blended families, blended skin tones, blended cultures and cuisines.

I pledge allegiance to the beat poets, to the offbeat comedians, to the insistent beat of rock and roll. I pledge allegiance to sunny smiles and frenetic energy and casual well wishes to strangers. I pledge allegiance to the curious mix of innocence and ignorance that assumes every stranger is a new friend.


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#20 May 18 2009 at 7:40 AM Rating: Good
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Man, I know it's Monday, but still.


Hey, don't blame me for your miscommunication. If you don't see how saying that this kind of thing is better than a flag is putting the two against each other, you're probably the one that needs to have a pot of black coffee, not me.
#21 May 18 2009 at 9:09 AM Rating: Good
Haha, patriotism.
#22 May 18 2009 at 12:11 PM Rating: Good
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It's too darn wordy.
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#23 May 18 2009 at 1:17 PM Rating: Excellent
Kavekk wrote:
If you don't see how saying that this kind of thing is better than a flag is putting the two against each other, you're probably the one that needs to have a pot of black coffee, not me.


All I said was "and that have more personal resonance than some arbitrary, remote, and intangible concept such as a flag". Notice the "personal".

I never said one was "better" in the absolute, or that the OP was the "antithesis" of anything. I never mentionned that flags and newspaper columns should be pitted against each other. Nor that some people can't find a flag extremely resonant. You know, people that like boats, for example.

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#24 May 18 2009 at 1:40 PM Rating: Good
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All I said was "and that have more personal resonance than some arbitrary, remote, and intangible concept such as a flag". Notice the "personal".

I never said one was "better" in the absolute, or that the OP was the "antithesis" of anything. I never mentionned that flags and newspaper columns should be pitted against each other. Nor that some people can't find a flag extremely resonant. You know, people that like boats, for example.


Yeah, but a flag is meant to inspire this kind of thing when looked upon. I mean, it's not designed so people think "nice colours, let's go kill some guys". People don't wave flags because they think the colours are nice (in the main). It's like saying som e guy's personal response to Elliot resonates more than Elliot's poems. I mean, I guess it can be true, but it implies that you're, to quote Milhouse's dad, borrowing a feeling (that you do not yourself possess), which isn't resonance at all.
#25 May 18 2009 at 1:44 PM Rating: Decent
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Kavekk wrote:
I mean, it's not designed so people think "nice colours, let's go kill some guys".


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#26 May 18 2009 at 1:46 PM Rating: Good
Kavekk wrote:
I mean, it's not designed so people think "nice colours, let's go kill some guys".


Depends. Look at the pirate flag.


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