I dislike it simply for the fact that people use it to change the way they feel, when maybe, sometimes, they feel bad for a reason... as in they need to change their life or behavior.
So, similar to spice on foods, sometimes its an enhancement, sometimes its allowing us to ingest something that would otherwise be unpalateable.
Thats why so many addictions have a "Downward Spiral" of regretful behavior
while under the influence, followed by more use to cope with regret......
Personally I support harm reduction, as long as everyone is aware there will be other changes besides no jail for simple possesion.
The idea that The Netherlands is a Utopia of free thinking & acting adults who can use or not use soley based on personal choice, is a fallacy.
They have an incarceration rate about in the middle of EU for drug crimes
(in fact, the same as Sweden..with Zero Tolerence)
Also significantly stiffer D.U.I penalties.... people barred from many professions etc.
In the U.S. , to date, if you stay succesfully below the cops radar, you can pursue any other goals you have in life & still use.
Unfortunately for many, THC stays in the bloodstream for a LONG time & can be detected... & construction workers who are involved in an accident will have their blood tested. (I personally know people in both the oil industry & construction who have beeen fird, sued, incarcerated & refused health coverage for their own injuries due to blood/urine tests)
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publiusvarus wrote:
Do you even know the history behind why mj is illegal? Probably not, then again you're most likely a pre-teeny bopper whose mommy and daddy told him drugs are bad.
Because of Prohibition.
I'd love to hear your side.
Aldous wrote:
Well, specifically to marijuana and drugs, I don't like what they do to people, but people should be able to put whatever they see fit into their bodies.
I'm curious, you say "marijuana and drugs". Do you not consider marijuana a drug? And have you smoked MJ so that you can accurately judge what it does to someone, and whether or not you like it?
Pvarus wrote:
Tell that to Phelps, Michael Jordan, and numerous other top shelf athletes that partake. It's obvious you have no idea about the real effects of mj use. Then again you're a brainwashed teeny bopper so that's to be expected.
How do you tie the use of marijuana and it's effect to top shelf athletes? I'm curious...you make that distinct reference as if there's some underlying truth or secret enhancing effect of MJ.
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Tell that to Phelps, Michael Jordan, and numerous other top shelf athletes that partake.
What has that got anything to do with anything? Are you arguing that their celebrity justifies their use, or that their athletic lifestyles means that they wouldn't ever do anything that would be bad for their bodies? Either way, what you are playing at doesn't make sense.
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I'm curious, you say "marijuana and drugs". Do you not consider marijuana a drug? And have you smoked MJ so that you can accurately judge what it does to someone, and whether or not you like it?
Not particularly, it's probably one of the least unhealthy excesses out there. No I've not smoked MJ, I don't know what it does to me, but I can see what it does to people I know, with effects ranging from "philosophical" pondering to raging paranoia in the case of my brother.
Anyway, I'm off to work, see you later today if this thread is still going.
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That sounds like a job for...
SUPER ******!
Better get the loob out, son, as I hear he's hung like those African fellas that keep you up at night.
SUPER ******!
Better get the loob out, son, as I hear he's hung like those African fellas that keep you up at night.
Aww, what a cute photo, Omegavegeta. You have your mother's nose! Hey, if anyone ever laughs at you for the way you look, just ignore them! They're just the nastiest type of people. Don't feel bad if people make fun of you because you're not as smart as they are. You were just born that way.
True, maybe if your mother wasn't addicted to drugs and alcohol while she was pregnant, you might have turned out a different person. But don't worry, at the rate that people are accepting drugs into their lives, there'll be more and more people like you! You'll make lots and lots of new friends!
This thread is really killing my buzz.
I smoked it once; it made me as sick as cigarettes do so I never did it again. (I can't handle any kind of smoke.) I have not had the occasion to try it in any other form, but I'd like to.
That said, as long as cigs remain legal, MJ ought to be legal too. If MJ stays illegal, then make tobacco illegal as well. Both have similarly harmful effects on me personally.
That said, as long as cigs remain legal, MJ ought to be legal too. If MJ stays illegal, then make tobacco illegal as well. Both have similarly harmful effects on me personally.
catwho the Pest wrote:
Both have similarly harmful effects on me personally.
Cause it's all about you.
Ryne,
I'm debunking the myth that mary jane in some way hampers ones ability to take care of themselves physically. The worlds best swimmer ever likes to take bong hits. And I've heard numerous first hand stories about NBA ball players toking up often. Simply saying that smoking mj is harmful is bs. How do you know that smoking mj doesn't reduce ones stress level thereby allowing them to live a longer healthier life than someone who doesn't?
Blue collar workers work with their hands all day every day. Smoking mj allows them to alleviate the pain that comes from that without having to take pills. For anyone to imply that they're a bad person because they do this is beyond absurd.
Edited, May 15th 2009 1:38pm by publiusvarus
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How do you tie the use of marijuana and it's effect to top shelf athletes? I'm curious...you make that distinct reference as if there's some underlying truth or secret enhancing effect of MJ.
I'm debunking the myth that mary jane in some way hampers ones ability to take care of themselves physically. The worlds best swimmer ever likes to take bong hits. And I've heard numerous first hand stories about NBA ball players toking up often. Simply saying that smoking mj is harmful is bs. How do you know that smoking mj doesn't reduce ones stress level thereby allowing them to live a longer healthier life than someone who doesn't?
Blue collar workers work with their hands all day every day. Smoking mj allows them to alleviate the pain that comes from that without having to take pills. For anyone to imply that they're a bad person because they do this is beyond absurd.
Edited, May 15th 2009 1:38pm by publiusvarus
Anyone wondering about the supposed negative health effects of marijuana should watch "Super High Me". Here's a summary of the documentary:
Although made to be humorous, it's an extremely insightful and well put together documentary about recreational and medical marijuana use. You'll be surprised on some of the tests done, he goes through many health & mental tests in both phases of the experiment. The results are quite surprising, and amusing. Especially tests regarding short-term memory.
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Determined to find out the true effects of marijuana on the human body, stand-up comedian and former Stoner of the Year Doug Benson documents his experience avoiding pot for 30 days and then consuming massive amounts of the drug for 30 days. More than just an amusing story of one man's quest to get superhigh, this documentary also examines the hotly contested debate over medical marijuana use.
Although made to be humorous, it's an extremely insightful and well put together documentary about recreational and medical marijuana use. You'll be surprised on some of the tests done, he goes through many health & mental tests in both phases of the experiment. The results are quite surprising, and amusing. Especially tests regarding short-term memory.
Ryne,
I'm sorry what did you just say? I forgot.
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Especially tests regarding short-term memory.
I'm sorry what did you just say? I forgot.
publiusvarus wrote:
Ryne,
I'm sorry what did you just say? I forgot.
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Especially tests regarding short-term memory.
I'm sorry what did you just say? I forgot.
Dude, what did you do with the old varrus?
Red,
I'm a scholar don't I have to get everyone to like me now?
Plus who really wants to talk about how Obama's ******** up the american auto industry on such a beautiful day?
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Dude, what did you do with the old varrus?
I'm a scholar don't I have to get everyone to like me now?
Plus who really wants to talk about how Obama's ******** up the american auto industry on such a beautiful day?
publiusvarus wrote:
Red,
I'm a scholar don't I have to get everyone to like me now?
Plus who really wants to talk about how Obama's ******** up the american auto industry on such a beautiful day?
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Dude, what did you do with the old varrus?
I'm a scholar don't I have to get everyone to like me now?
Plus who really wants to talk about how Obama's ******** up the american auto industry on such a beautiful day?
Take a screenshot
Pot as a drug is, in my opinion, less of a societal evil than alcohol. Other drugs can be far worse. What with actual having an LD50 and greater potential for addiction of a physical nature.
That being said, many people smoke pot we all know that. Most people assume lots of people smoke pot.
Before I ever tried blowing coke I assumed barely anybody did coke. I was wrong. I rapidly realized ******** of people I knew were doing it every now and again. Its not something people bring up to others unless they know the person is 'cool'.
The amount of people that do illegal drugs is fairly large. If you don't deal with it either by also using drugs or dealing with it from a HHS or legal stand point it can be hard to grasp the scale. The amount of well adjust people that smoke pot or occasionally do other drugs is quite large and I highly doubt it shows up in statistics as most people don't talk about it except for people who are in on it as well.
The drug war has been an utter failure. We realized Prohibition of alcohol was a failure, I don't understand why we can't admit the same error with other substances.
That being said, many people smoke pot we all know that. Most people assume lots of people smoke pot.
Before I ever tried blowing coke I assumed barely anybody did coke. I was wrong. I rapidly realized ******** of people I knew were doing it every now and again. Its not something people bring up to others unless they know the person is 'cool'.
The amount of people that do illegal drugs is fairly large. If you don't deal with it either by also using drugs or dealing with it from a HHS or legal stand point it can be hard to grasp the scale. The amount of well adjust people that smoke pot or occasionally do other drugs is quite large and I highly doubt it shows up in statistics as most people don't talk about it except for people who are in on it as well.
The drug war has been an utter failure. We realized Prohibition of alcohol was a failure, I don't understand why we can't admit the same error with other substances.
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idiggory wrote:
Drinking at home. But I could probably stand to get laid.
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The drug war has been an utter failure. We realized Prohibition of alcohol was a failure, I don't understand why we can't admit the same error with other substances.
Because you can't get old people to vote for you if you are seemingly soft on drugs. The "Greatest Generation" and the Boomers are keeping us down, man!
Horsemouth wrote:
The drug war has been an utter failure. We realized Prohibition of alcohol was a failure, I don't understand why we can't admit the same error with other substances.
Because we're still trying to keep the brother down.
publiusvarus wrote:
we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.
The war on drugs also helps keep S. America fairly screwed up.
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And a little more background after the click.
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idiggory wrote:
Drinking at home. But I could probably stand to get laid.
McGame wrote:
Aww, what a cute photo, Omegavegeta. You have your mother's nose! Hey, if anyone ever laughs at you for the way you look, just ignore them! They're just the nastiest type of people. Don't feel bad if people make fun of you because you're not as smart as they are. You were just born that way.
True, maybe if your mother wasn't addicted to drugs and alcohol while she was pregnant, you might have turned out a different person. But don't worry, at the rate that people are accepting drugs into their lives, there'll be more and more people like you! You'll make lots and lots of new friends!
True, maybe if your mother wasn't addicted to drugs and alcohol while she was pregnant, you might have turned out a different person. But don't worry, at the rate that people are accepting drugs into their lives, there'll be more and more people like you! You'll make lots and lots of new friends!
Dude, "NO U" responses are generally relegated to the OOT. And that's TWO from you in the same thread. Either step up your pathetic "attempts" at trolling or kindly GTFO.
This is the Asylum motherfucker. We demand a higher grade of troll.
Check out Varrus' posts for examples (Well, the posts he makes when he isn't high, that is).
"The Rich are there to take all of the money & pay none of the taxes, the middle class is there to do all the work and pay all the taxes, and the poor are there to scare the crap out of the middle class." -George Carlin
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Dude, "NO U" responses are generally relegated to the OOT. And that's TWO from you in the same thread. Either step up your pathetic "attempts" at trolling or kindly GTFO.
This is the Asylum ************. We demand a higher grade of troll.
Check out Varrus' posts for examples (Well, the posts he makes when he isn't high, that is).
This is the Asylum ************. We demand a higher grade of troll.
Check out Varrus' posts for examples (Well, the posts he makes when he isn't high, that is).
Now now there, no swearing in the forums. Did you know? You can get banned for using the MF word. But I'll forgive you this time. Be a good sport next time ok?
It really was a stupid thing to do to begin with. Declaring a war on drug users is like declaring a war on insects. You're never going to stop them from showing up, you're only going to get them as you see them. Talk about an unwinnable war.
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Now now there, no swearing in the forums.
It is allowed here
Anything I could tell you at this point by swearing would be trite, but its hard to pass up the opportunity
How did that one pickleprince quite go? Something about the fucktruck you fucked in on? Whatever you get the point.
Zaikimaliki the Vile wrote:
It really was a stupid thing to do to begin with. Declaring a war on drug users is like declaring a war on insects.
No.
Insects are quantifiable. Theoretically, you could actually kill them all.
The War on Drugs is a war waged upon addiction, essentially, even if ineffectively. And you're right, that's a war doomed to failure, because it's a war against an intangible thing.
Much like a religious crusade or a war against some other phantom menace, such as terrorism.
I salute you, soldier, for acknowledging as much.
Edited, May 16th 2009 12:57pm by Barkingturtle
Ah yes, the good old swearing contests. Brings back memories of the junior high school days. Used to be quite cool doing that in those days.
This war can theoretically be won, depending on how much you want to sacrifice. The current war on drugs is not going anywhere because, well, it's too pathetic. Both the supply and demand side of things needs to be dealt with, so just going after the traffickers will not work. But when everyone views the drug addicts as victims rather than offenders for using illegal substances, then your hands are tied. There are some countries with very low drug abuse rates, such as Singapore or Malaysia, where the only penalty for drug possession (of a certain amount) is death, regardless of them being users or traffickers. It works well, but Americans would just call it barbaric, of course. Really, once people view drug addicts as victims, then the drug gangs have won.
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It really was a stupid thing to do to begin with. Declaring a war on drug users is like declaring a war on insects. You're never going to stop them from showing up, you're only going to get them as you see them. Talk about an unwinnable war.
This war can theoretically be won, depending on how much you want to sacrifice. The current war on drugs is not going anywhere because, well, it's too pathetic. Both the supply and demand side of things needs to be dealt with, so just going after the traffickers will not work. But when everyone views the drug addicts as victims rather than offenders for using illegal substances, then your hands are tied. There are some countries with very low drug abuse rates, such as Singapore or Malaysia, where the only penalty for drug possession (of a certain amount) is death, regardless of them being users or traffickers. It works well, but Americans would just call it barbaric, of course. Really, once people view drug addicts as victims, then the drug gangs have won.
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