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#52 May 14 2009 at 3:15 AM Rating: Excellent
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What Nexa said.

Also, I really that think that the decision to make these administrative changes is as retarded as Melody's kids.


I can still say **** like that, right? Or am I gonna get smacked down like one of Senji's kids? Cos if so, I disapprove of that administrative decision too.

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#53 May 14 2009 at 3:25 AM Rating: Excellent
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I have to agree with everyone else on the child issue. If you don't want your precious darlings talked about, don't bring them up in this forum. I don't discuss my son too much here, but it's not because I am afraid someone will talk bad about him, it's because he's really not that interesting. Oh, but I *did* post a video of him being chased by a goat on Facebook, you should check it out. Then you can talk about him. I don't care.
#54 May 14 2009 at 3:33 AM Rating: Good
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The Asylum: No holds barred forum for deep OOT discourse. Not for the faint of heart.
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Didn't these mean people make this particular forum what it is today? As in the popularity, the draw of it was built around "what mean **** have they posted today?" I've lurked here for a long time, there was a thread a while back that had the history of the OOT and the Asylum broken down and to me it seemed that the base of the forum was far worse than the two are today. It's a self regulating forum.

From what I understand these two particular forums were made specifically for these sort of posters, wouldn't it stand to reason that it's a little late in the show to start limiting their posting? Tying their hands only gives them a target, which in turn is going to force the admins to punish.

Just seems like an exercise in deconstructing your own creation.

Edited, May 14th 2009 7:44am by Bauran
#55 May 14 2009 at 4:01 AM Rating: Good
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I'm about to get all no holds barred up in here!
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#56 May 14 2009 at 4:14 AM Rating: Good
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I'm about to get all no holds barred up in here!


Should we get out the steel chairs and the barbed wire?
#57 May 14 2009 at 4:18 AM Rating: Excellent
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Oh, and one more item on the self regulation and the kids issue (and other issues as well), we in the asylum have no issue with calling one another out on what we as a community consider unacceptable behavior. Once again, you'll find no administrative complaints from me. You will find the very rare occurrence of me calling someone out when I felt that their behavior was unacceptable or personally offensive to me. Others do this as well in an atmosphere of near familial acceptance. We fight, we talk, we make up, we apologize, we change according to the rules we develop for meaningful interaction here. To have administration lay down out of bounds topics for discussion does not foster this atmosphere, it deteriorates it and I can only honestly imagine it as *increasing* your workload in regard to complaints as you get more pms from people who want there particular issue to be added to the off-limits discussion list or who want their issue to fall under one of the existing off limits discussions. I think you'd be making more work for yourself, not less.

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#58 May 14 2009 at 4:59 AM Rating: Good
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While not a long time poster in the Asylum, I've come here more and more often because there are interesting things going on here. The best part is the lack of regulation. Putting caps on what we can post? It's not the Asylum any more. If people say they will rape someone's child, they get rated down or ignored.

I've seen more flames in OOT than the Asylum, honestly. Surprisingly, people in the Asylum tend to be decently educated on an issue... or pretend to be. Or think they are. Blatant, open hostility has been rare. I mean, the most crotchety regular poster is probably Smash, but he comes with a disclaimer.

Don't put in the clauses about admin complaints, rape, or going after children... or at least, not for the Asylum. Keep the Asylum true to its current form. We've really not had any problems... nowhere near the ones the OOT has, from what I've seen.
#59 May 14 2009 at 5:37 AM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
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I get less angry PM's from distraught mothers.
Tell 'em to stay out of =4 if their precious li'l dumplin's are being spoken ill of and it's making them cry.
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you are probably not very good at the whole making people cry over the internet thing to begin with
You're doing pretty well if you're making someone write to the admins crying about the big bad post that said their child was a ******. I mean, hell, how many flames result in an admin PM?


What Joph said.

I don't even make fun of other peoples' kids, except in fun (like when I say Hannah is going to kill Nexa). I don't joke about rape as such, although I admit I have said before that a tank was getting ***-raped by Orcs, but not on these forums that I can recall.

But other people do, and some of those people are extremely entertaining; and yes, I realize those are the very ones whose behavior is troubling you because they are the edge cases. They push the boundaries, and what you're doing here is setting the boundaries so that everyone knows when The Line has been crossed.

You're setting the boundaries too close in, is all I'm saying. My opinion, take it or leave it; but if someone comes in here posting about their precious little special needs snowflakes, they can expect a rasher of **** as well as some sympathetic and helpful posts.

It is not a hardship for them to keep their child development discussions in other fora where they will be fostered and universally praised and supported.

I'm curious, too, about how often enraged mothers come crying to you. I know Melody did, and I suspect at least one other; and of the ones I can recall, they deserved every hard word they got. They brought it on themselves and then tried to use their precious ickle ones as human shields.

FUCSmall Textk that noise.



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#60 May 14 2009 at 5:38 AM Rating: Excellent
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Hostile content directed at children of other forum members: At no point, in any forum (specifically including Asylum) is it allowable to target children of a forum member with harsh insults, harassment, or other deliberate provocations aimed at causing strife with another forum member. Such actions will be automatically considered excessive and persistent, and will be dealt with accordingly. There is a general exception allowed for good natured statements made in jest, that are recognized to be in jest by both parties, however in a dispute we will rule against the party who originates the statement.


I guess this can be seen in two ways, the most dominant being argued is using children/kids/offspring of an adult as bait or fuel in an discussion/arguement/topic that said adult poster is participating in. The other way, is to actually attack a child poster to an end that results in parental intervention because of their childs actions on the forums and the obvious result.

So, if someone says "My kid did <insertretardedaction> yesterday, what should I do?" and someone responds with "Your kid is a fucking ****** and so are you, learn how to <insertdisciplinemethod> your hellspawn!", what does this fall under? It's clearly an attack on the adult poster & the child, but it's due the content the adult poster created for the topic. As such, it is the topic?

Likewise, if someone's teenage child participates on the boards, wanders into =4 and the result is them crying in a corner because they couldn't handle the responses to the "I think I'm so cool!" topic they created or participated in and the parent (whether a forum member or not) retaliates to admins for their childs actions, why the hell should the people responding be held responsible?

1) How do we necessarily know they're a child?
2) If responses would generally be acceptable were it an adult, why should those responding be held responsible?
3) If the parent is apeshit over it, shouldn't the child be held responsible for invoking such a situation by entering and participating with no success?

It's too vague a policy, in my opinion. There's too many "But!" or "If..." in regards to what's enforced and what's not.

Oh, and...

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[...] Blatant, open hostility has been rare. [...]


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Had to...

Edit: Spelling...

Edited, May 14th 2009 9:41am by Ryneguy
#61 May 14 2009 at 5:46 AM Rating: Excellent
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I just want y'all to note my leet filter breakage. It's a thing of beauty.

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#62 May 14 2009 at 5:47 AM Rating: Excellent
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I'm curious, too, about how often enraged mothers come crying to you. I know Melody did ...


Melody used to praise me for being the only "honest" one, and I routinely referred to her broken little ****** babies as the "rotten fruit of her loins".

I mean, she seemed to really appreciate my input.
#63 May 14 2009 at 5:50 AM Rating: Decent
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The only thing I have to add, I guess, is that as more subjects become officially 'taboo' in the Asylum there remains less and less reason to keep it separate from the oot. Merging the two seems to be the push anyways. So, meh.

What rules are made and/or enforced, enjoyed, broken or mocked really holds little in the way of importance to my daily posting habits.


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#64 May 14 2009 at 6:11 AM Rating: Excellent
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Updated draft ruleset uploaded, Also we are leaning towards dropping Amendment 5 at this time.

Also please note, the existing rules that are currently in force are also open for discussion if anyone has additions, changes, etc for them.
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#65 May 14 2009 at 6:14 AM Rating: Good
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Samira wrote:

I'm curious, too, about how often enraged mothers come crying to you. I know Melody did ...


Melody used to praise me for being the only "honest" one, and I routinely referred to her broken little ****** babies as the "rotten fruit of her loins".

I mean, she seemed to really appreciate my input.
I'd say she was practically begging for your input.
#66 May 14 2009 at 6:32 AM Rating: Decent
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Grandfather Barkingturtle wrote:
Samira wrote:

I'm curious, too, about how often enraged mothers come crying to you. I know Melody did ...


Melody used to praise me for being the only "honest" one, and I routinely referred to her broken little ****** babies as the "rotten fruit of her loins".

I mean, she seemed to really appreciate my input.
I'd say she was practically begging for your input.


I can take most BT ***** jokes, but this one actually made me throw up a bit in my mouth. I think that's more the fault of Melody's ******, though. Ewwww
#67 May 14 2009 at 6:32 AM Rating: Excellent
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Updated draft ruleset uploaded, Also we are leaning towards dropping Amendment 5 at this time.

Also please note, the existing rules that are currently in force are also open for discussion if anyone has additions, changes, etc for them.


Rape is back in! Rape is back in!

There is a general warmth in my lap now, Kao, and you're responsible for it.

Thanks pal.
#68 May 14 2009 at 6:33 AM Rating: Excellent
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I can take most BT *****
Haha.
#69 May 14 2009 at 6:39 AM Rating: Excellent
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...and would be considered to be significantly above and beyond the level of content we would normally encounter in these forums
That's fair. Gives =4 its usual leeway but no insulting the kiddies in the WoW forums.
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#70 May 14 2009 at 7:01 AM Rating: Good
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Samira wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
Dread Lörd Kaolian wrote:
I get less angry PM's from distraught mothers.
Tell 'em to stay out of =4 if their precious li'l dumplin's are being spoken ill of and it's making them cry.
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you are probably not very good at the whole making people cry over the internet thing to begin with
You're doing pretty well if you're making someone write to the admins crying about the big bad post that said their child was a ******. I mean, hell, how many flames result in an admin PM?


What Joph said.

I don't even make fun of other peoples' kids, except in fun (like when I say Hannah is going to kill Nexa). I don't joke about rape as such, although I admit I have said before that a tank was getting ***-raped by Orcs, but not on these forums that I can recall.

But other people do, and some of those people are extremely entertaining; and yes, I realize those are the very ones whose behavior is troubling you because they are the edge cases. They push the boundaries, and what you're doing here is setting the boundaries so that everyone knows when The Line has been crossed.

You're setting the boundaries too close in, is all I'm saying. My opinion, take it or leave it; but if someone comes in here posting about their precious little special needs snowflakes, they can expect a rasher of sh*t as well as some sympathetic and helpful posts.

It is not a hardship for them to keep their child development discussions in other fora where they will be fostered and universally praised and supported.

I'm curious, too, about how often enraged mothers come crying to you. I know Melody did, and I suspect at least one other; and of the ones I can recall, they deserved every hard word they got. They brought it on themselves and then tried to use their precious ickle ones as human shields.

FUCSmall Textk that noise.





I have to agree that when a parent brings up in discussion something controversial that they do to or for their children, they can't expect to be embraced.

If I strapped Suki to her highchair and had her watch my fetish movies, came here & posted about it - the resulting consequences would be well deserved and not worthy of admin attention. (I don't do this but you know, I half expect some sort of comments about my former line of work and her upbringing Smiley: lol)

If you allow your 8 or 10 year old to stay up till 3am on a school night, discuss suicide in front of them (even if you think you are joking), attempt to have an affair while you are still married, send out nude photos of yourself, try to play the children against the other spouse and post that & more on a public forum, you are not going to receive positive reinforcement. If you can't handle that, seek professional help to discuss these taboo issues that you desperately need to discuss.

Also, nixnot, take a shower.
#71 May 14 2009 at 7:06 AM Rating: Good
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Poorly veiled Bunny jab is poorly veiled.
#72 May 14 2009 at 7:08 AM Rating: Decent
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Poorly veiled Bunny jab is poorly veiled.


bunny, that I am aware of, never sent out nudes. She isn't the only parent we have encountered in the forums....
#73 May 14 2009 at 7:08 AM Rating: Good
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bunny, that I am aware of, never sent out nudes.


Smiley: lol

Check your PMs.



Edited, May 14th 2009 8:09am by Barkingturtle
#74 May 14 2009 at 7:09 AM Rating: Excellent
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Man the Asylum is rate-happy today.
#75 May 14 2009 at 7:11 AM Rating: Excellent
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Yeah, tends to happen when things get roiled up and we get an influx of toe-dippers.

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#76 May 14 2009 at 7:14 AM Rating: Excellent
niobia wrote:
AshOnMyTomatoes wrote:
Poorly veiled Bunny jab is poorly veiled.


bunny, that I am aware of, never sent out nudes. She isn't the only parent we have encountered in the forums....


That's the one thing you think he was talking about there? Smiley: dubious
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