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#1 May 13 2009 at 7:06 PM Rating: Excellent
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The forum rules are up for their approximatly 1 year review. There are several proposed changes, outlined in red in the following document:

http://www.allakhazam.com/DraftRFCForumRules.html

During this time period, the existing forum rules remain in force.

Please take this oppertunity to discuss existing rules, propose changes, removals, modifications or other rule related issues in this thread. Off topic posts will be nuked.

There is one other additional proposed rule that is not on the document above at this time, but we would like user feedback on the possibility:

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Amendment 5: Discussion of administrative decisions on the forums

No discussion of administrative action, policies or status is allowed on the forums. All such discussions will be removed. Discussions regarding administrator action must be conducted via PM or E-mail



I have seperated that one specifically because we are still debating that one amongst ourselves as well.

This comment period will run for approximatly 1 week. The yearly review period is intended to foster awareness of the rules and make it easier to get all changes finished at one time. You can feel free to submit change ideas the rest of the year as well.

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#2 May 13 2009 at 7:13 PM Rating: Excellent
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Amendment 5.

Yeah, I'm not crazy about that one, personally. I get it, I understand that it gives you a way to cut off discussions that you feel are getting out of hand; but to me it bespeaks a bunker mentality, and that's not fun.

Then again, Spyderbite strikes me as a misogynist jerk, so I'm probably reacting to the fact that it's under his name, no matter who actually proposed it.



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#3 May 13 2009 at 7:13 PM Rating: Good
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What, we can't ***** about custom titles anymore?

Shirley you must be joking.
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#4 May 13 2009 at 7:24 PM Rating: Excellent
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I think it's an unnecessary rule. Have the forums actually been "hurt" by criticism of admin actions, or just the admins' egos or patience?

Either be prepared to defend your actions,
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Any admin can just flat out refuse to discuss bannings and such. Just because users ask about it doesn't mean you have to respond,
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Decide on a case-by-case basis if the matter is private enough or over-discussed enough to start locking threads about it.
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There are also other revisions in the document itself.
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#6 May 13 2009 at 7:34 PM Rating: Excellent
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Dread Lörd Kaolian wrote:
There are also other revisions in the document itself.

I scrolled through that rules list for the first time last week.

I found it kinda humorous how extensive it is, and wondered how much of it was written to as a reaction to OOT drama. Smiley: laugh

I also just assumed that those rules don't apply to We.

#7 May 13 2009 at 7:46 PM Rating: Excellent
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Oh, I see the other new updates:
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Please note: content in the forum designated “Asylum” is by design less regulated. While there are still limits, please be aware that content in that specific section of the forum is not subject to the same level of restrictions listed above. Post there at your own risk.
Well okay, but:

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Hostile content directed at children of other forum members: At no point, in any forum (specifically including Asylum) is it allowable to target children of a forum member with harsh insults, harassment, or other deliberate provocations aimed at causing strife with another forum member. Such actions will be automatically considered excessive and persistent, and will be dealt with accordingly. There is a general exception allowed for good natured statements made in jest, that are recognized to be in jest by both parties, however in a dispute we will rule against the party who originates the statement.
Also seems unnecessary, especially with the Asylum inclusion. Do children get protection from ridicule elsewhere in the legal world? Don't post about them if you don't want them mentioned. Did the people that complained get their child's consent to be posted about?

(Also, this rule made me think of Kao & Dracoid, teehee)

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Rape: Posts involving rape as content are a particlarily sensitive and potentially traumatic topic to some, and will be considered excessive and persistant automatically, and removed.
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#8 May 13 2009 at 7:51 PM Rating: Excellent
The Asylum has nothing but praise for Hannah and the other ankle-biters that pop up in general conversation. I don't think it needed to be specifically addressed; most of the Asylumites don't bother because the children of posters can't fight back and that's no fun, and we certainly don't want to rouse mama and papa bear instincts. Much more entertaining to take a stick and poke it in the eye of our resident adult antagonists.
#9 May 13 2009 at 7:55 PM Rating: Excellent
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Yeah, that hasn't always been the case.

Nevertheless, I'm a firm believer in "if you bring it to the board, it's fair game."

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#10 May 13 2009 at 7:59 PM Rating: Good
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Oh bother, it took me too long to collate this!
Also, Edited now because the proposed amendments have changed. The proposed amendment about Rape has been taken out. However the "Child" amendment is still in, although a specific reference to the Asylum and children of posters harrassment is not there any more. Which kind of leaves me confused as to if we're allowed to insult poster's children in the Asylum, under the new rules.

Because I know some people won't click the link, and a couple of these might actually be controversial:

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Hostile content directed at children of other forum members: At no point, in any forum is it allowable to target children of a forum member with harsh insults, harassment, or other deliberate provocations aimed at causing strife with another forum member. Such actions will be automatically considered excessive and persistent, and will be dealt with accordingly. There is a general exception allowed for good natured statements made in jest, that are recognized to be in jest by both parties, however in a dispute we will rule against the party who originates the statement.

Rape: Posts involving rape as content are a particularly sensitive and potentially traumatic topic to some, and will be considered excessive and persistent automatically, and removed.

I'm not sure I like the idea of any subject being automatically taboo in the Asylum. Context matters, and unsavory or excessively inappropriate harassing stuff can be rated down or adminned. Why rape in particular? Persistant or acute childhood Bullying, Parental abuse, Criminal assault, are all traumas that can be fully equivalent to Rape to a victim. Suicide and Self-Harm are topics usually automatically excluded from main-stream media, at least in Australia, because of concerns of pushing emotionally vulnerable people closer to taking such action.

And the probably not so controversial:
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Necroposting: The act of posting in an extremely old thread for the sole purpose of bringing it to the foreground of the forum to disrupt the existing threads is considered necroposting, and is prohibited. Extremely old is a subjective term, to be determined by the administrators. Threads that are legitimately, or accidentally necroposted in may be left at the discretion of the admin. Deliberately necroposted threads will be returned to the page from where they came, and may be locked if necessary.


Amendment 1. Posting Surveys
Survey posting by outside parties is allowed only for educational purposes. Commercial surveys, or surveys without an academic background are expressly prohibited and will be immediately removed.

Prior to posting any survey, you are required to contact one of the following Forum Administrators:

* kaolian@allakhazam.com
* darqflame@allakhazam.com
* wordaen@allakhazam.com

And to provide verified contact information and academic credentials, including a university associated e-mail address from which the request originates. A full, unaltered copy of the survey questions must also be provided.

All other survey posts will be removed and the originating account banned.


Amendment 2. Forum user names
Any forum name longer than 20 characters in length, or found to contain offensive references that were not caught by the filter will be immediately changed to something of our choosing. At the Administrator's discretion the account may be banned if the name is particularly offensive.


Amendment 3. Posting torrent sites, illegal content, or copyrighted material
Legitimate torrent sites, such as those hosting legitmate game patches, are allowed, but should be cleared with an administrator prior to posting if there is any question.

Sites hosting illegal downloads, "private" servers, or material that has been brought to our attention as being in violation U.S. law is not allowed and will be immidiatly removed. All copyrighted content, regardless of format, that is submitted to the forums will be removed at the request of the copyright holder.


Amendment 4. Reporting Forum Images
Forum images that have objectionable content should be reported, however excessive and persistant reporting of images that are not objectionable is considered a form of harrasment and will be dealt with as such. Currently the only way to prevent image reporting is a full ban.


Edited, May 14th 2009 12:12am by Aripyanfar

Edited, May 14th 2009 11:33pm by Aripyanfar
#11 May 13 2009 at 8:06 PM Rating: Good
If anyone wants to change the user "buttcheeseassriver" to something less offensive, do so. That's my fiance's little used user name . . . (for voting and stuff.) Apparently "Lothar" was already taken, as was "Spacepope" so he just unleashed a little Tourette's for that username. I hate it.
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If anyone wants to change the user "buttcheeseassriver" to something less offensive, do so. That's my fiance's little used user name . . . (for voting and stuff.) Apparently "Lothar" was already taken, as was "Spacepope" so he just unleashed a little Tourette's for that username. I hate it.


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Miscarried fetuses don't count as children, right?

Also, there was the Dracoid thing (although that was in the "good fun" category), and I recall the first post I ever read by Mindel (it was in the Asylum), wherein she called someone's retarded child a "lope-headed window licker."

I want to add, that from a pragmatic analysis, if a messageboard is inconsequential and anonymous enough to post openly about your child's issues, then it's inconsequential and anonymous enough that hostile posts about said child should have no effect on you.



Edited, May 13th 2009 11:19pm by trickybeck
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Samira wrote:
Yeah, that hasn't always been the case.

Nevertheless, I'm a firm believer in "if you bring it to the board, it's fair game."



I agree, especially in the Asylum. If someone is mean to you enough, maybe you should not post in that forum. I think it's understandable when it gets moved from the OOT but then a post got nuked in the Asylum b/c Guenny was too mean. Then when she questioned it, she got sh*t for that. I'm sorry, I think that's weird.

I think the random OOT posts would be less annoying if they were just allowed to sit there and the offended posters would go post somewhere else, like the OOT, where they wanted the thread removed. I think the posters asking for the thread to end were effective.



Edited, May 14th 2009 12:27am by Annabella
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#15 May 13 2009 at 8:20 PM Rating: Good
Mrcatwho is perfect. And a universe better than "buttcheeseassriver".
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Can varrus stop being banned?

That's really the only issue I can think of mentioning, other than agreeing with what other people have said.
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Hostile content directed at children of other forum members: At no point, in any forum (specifically including Asylum) is it allowable to target children of a forum member with harsh insults, harassment, or other deliberate provocations aimed at causing strife with another forum member. Such actions will be automatically considered excessive and persistent, and will be dealt with accordingly. There is a general exception allowed for good natured statements made in jest, that are recognized to be in jest by both parties, however in a dispute we will rule against the party who originates the statement.

Rape: Posts involving rape as content are a particlarily sensitive and potentially traumatic topic to some, and will be considered excessive and persistant automatically, and removed.
Lame. Especially in =4. I can see it in other forums but ridiculous in =4. If you don't want your kids mentioned, then don't mention that you have kids. If seeing someone say "Rape is surprise sex!" bothers you so much, you probably shouldn't be on the internet in the first place. Not that I'm perticularly vested in posting about rape or people's kids or even raping people's kids but this just reeks of some Nanny-State mentality. Hey, why stop at rape? I can give you a whole list of things that are "sensitive & potentially traumatic" and we can make them forbidden topics.
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Necroposting: The act of posting in an extremely old thread for the sole purpose of bringing it to the foreground of the forum to disrupt the existing threads is considered necroposting, and is prohibited. Extremely old is a subjective term, to be determined by the administrators. Threads that are legitimately, or accidentally necroposted in may be left at the discretion of the admin. Deliberately necroposted threads will be returned to the page from where they came, and may be locked if necessary.
Sure, why not.
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Amendments 1-4
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Amendment 5: Discussion of administrative decisions on the forums

No discussion of administrative action, policies or status is allowed on the forums. All such discussions will be removed. Discussions regarding administrator action must be conducted via PM or E-mail
Incredibly stupid. Mind-numbingly, horribly, terribly stupid and poor policy. Nothing says "You're not really part of a community" like making it forbidden to publicly question the rules of the joint or things that may happen. But if that's the look you're going for, then screaming "Verboten!!" at anyone who posts about a policy and locking the thread is a terrific way to go about it.
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Amendment 5: Discussion of administrative decisions on the forums

No discussion of administrative action, policies or status is allowed on the forums. All such discussions will be removed. Discussions regarding administrator action must be conducted via PM or E-mail
This seems to me to be needless. What exactly are you trying to prevent? I would hope that an admin can keep from getting their feelings hurt, and I don't honestly think a forum post in the OoT or asylum has much impact on your public image. At the very least I would say that users should be able to make an open request for open discussion of an issue if they feel it is necessary. This should take place in the appropriate forum, either site feedback or the forum that is relevant. Obviously the rule should be written that the issue should remain only a request for discussion unless approved by the admin. Also the default response should be to allow said discussion.

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I agree, especially in the Asylum. If someone is mean to you enough, maybe you should not post in that forum.
This. It's not as though =4 is required reading to learn about FFXI, WoW, etc. If they don't want to see it, don't go where it's happening. If the Powers That Be are afraid of it existing at all, better to just do away with =4 than make it some "Slightly Deeper Sandbox" than =28.
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Lame. Especially in =4. I can see it in other forums but ridiculous in =4. If you don't want your kids mentioned, then don't mention that you have kids. If seeing someone say "Rape is surprise sex!" bothers you so much, you probably shouldn't be on the internet in the first place. Not that I'm perticularly vested in posting about rape or people's kids or even raping people's kids but this just reeks of some Nanny-State mentality. Hey, why stop at rape? I can give you a whole list of things that are "sensitive & potentially traumatic" and we can make them forbidden topics.


The way I see the children one, is that if you have to resort to that, you are probably not very good at the whole making people cry over the internet thing to begin with. So the people who are likely to engage in that type of discussion in asylum wouldn't be that affected by it, and this way I get less angry PM's from distraught mothers.



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Dread Lörd Kaolian wrote:


The way I see the children one, is that if you have to resort to that, you are probably not very good at the whole making people cry over the internet thing to begin with. So the people who are likely to engage in that type of discussion in asylum wouldn't be that affected by it, and this way I get less angry PM's from distraught mothers.



Edited, May 13th 2009 9:54pm by Kaolian


Or you tell them not to post in the Asylum, since it is supposed to be "no-holds bar." Telling people they are too good and badass to use that tactic seems to be a copout.



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By invokeing the "no holds barred" statement, I am authorized to say that by that logic, I can consider such posts about forum posters children to be ******* lame and in poor taste and ban them. because admin holds aren't barred either.

But lets not go there.
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#23 May 13 2009 at 9:07 PM Rating: Excellent
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Dread Lörd Kaolian wrote:
By invokeing the "no holds barred" statement, I am authorized to say that by that logic, I can consider such posts about forum posters children to be @#%^ing lame and in poor taste and ban them. because admin holds aren't barred either.

But lets not go there.


So, it's not "no-holds barred," you will just use a different justification for censoring people. Fair enough. So we know that the rules apply here too. It's just we can break the swear filter.

Edited, May 14th 2009 1:10am by Annabella
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Dread Lörd Kaolian wrote:
By invokeing the "no holds barred" statement, I am authorized to say that by that logic, I can consider such posts about forum posters children to be @#%^ing lame and in poor taste and ban them. because admin holds aren't barred either.

But lets not go there.

Smiley: rolleyes Yeah we've been over that backwards illogic before...

If you want to interpret it that way, you've rendered the statement meaningless, and should just delete it now.

Or just say that the "no holds barred" is a tongue-in-cheek saying and not official policy.


Edited, May 14th 2009 12:11am by trickybeck
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Hostile content directed at children of other forum members: At no point, in any forum (specifically including Asylum) is it allowable to target children of a forum member with harsh insults, harassment, or other deliberate provocations aimed at causing strife with another forum member. Such actions will be automatically considered excessive and persistent, and will be dealt with accordingly. There is a general exception allowed for good natured statements made in jest, that are recognized to be in jest by both parties, however in a dispute we will rule against the party who originates the statement.



Translation: pussy-whipped motherfuckers will be protected even in the Asylum. Thanks for playing. Can we rename this as Melody's Law?



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Rape: Posts involving rape as content are a particlarily sensitive and potentially traumatic topic to some, and will be considered excessive and persistent automatically, and removed



Does this include the adult forum?

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VII. Spam

Doesn't cover quote spam.


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XI. Deliberate forum content disruption


Should be condensed into one topic for simplification. Sections XII, XIII, and XVI could also be molded into the same sphere so to speak.



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#26 May 13 2009 at 9:13 PM Rating: Decent
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