Coal mining is horrible. The mountains in Kentucky and West Virginia are disappearing. The freaking Appalachian mountains are disappearing.
@#%^ your coal power, that's heritage and a mountain range that is being torn up.
We can get oil from trash now. There's no reason to do this other than companies that are afraid of changing their business model and will move mountains to keep the status quo; even bankrupting the new technology (such as the one linked) to prevent innovation.
Edited, May 20th 2009 11:04pm by catwho
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It's fabricated Smash. If the environmentalists choose to make coal mining the horrible thing instead of oil, you'd be arguing that we shouldn't be using electric cars because those rely on coal to generate the electricity. And when I counter that this would mean running internal combustion powered cars, which would require burning oil instead, you'd insist that it's not that important to you.
It's much easier to swap coal for something else on the power grid then the gasoline from the car.
You can replace a coal plant with wind plant and have the system continue to function. If the cars pull from a source with modular power, then you've taken down a significant barrier to an environmentally sound approach.
Just as Planned.
gbaji wrote:
We fund new weapons development by convincing the taxpayers (and legislators) to fund defense programs.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Smashed,
Maybe not complicated but certainly unrealistic.
You know just saying somethings not complicated doesn't make it so. It is complicated otherwise someone would have done it by now. The simple fact is there is enough fossil fuel out there to supply energy production for the next 200+years. The ME is getting filthy rich off the naivete of the american populace. The Democrats and the liberal media have made a career off demonizing oil production. This is the sole reason energy costs what it does. And incidentally why the US is 20yrs behind in our capacity to harness this natural resource.
No it's not complicated the ME seems to be doing quite well at it. The US is the only country that I know of that resists utilizing it's natural resources in some feeble able to protect something that's not in danger anyway.
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It's not complicated to see what the endgame is for power generation. At all. Generate electricity, develop fast charging batteries, upgrade the power grid, done. It's not complicated to generate electricity.
Maybe not complicated but certainly unrealistic.
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It's not complicated to build grid infrastructure.
You know just saying somethings not complicated doesn't make it so. It is complicated otherwise someone would have done it by now. The simple fact is there is enough fossil fuel out there to supply energy production for the next 200+years. The ME is getting filthy rich off the naivete of the american populace. The Democrats and the liberal media have made a career off demonizing oil production. This is the sole reason energy costs what it does. And incidentally why the US is 20yrs behind in our capacity to harness this natural resource.
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What is complicated and stupid beyond belief is to continue to drill holes into the ground for a liquid fuel that's then refined into various other liquid fuels that we ship thousands of miles to store in giant holes we've dug in the ground so we can pour it into devices that function just as well with electric motors.
No it's not complicated the ME seems to be doing quite well at it. The US is the only country that I know of that resists utilizing it's natural resources in some feeble able to protect something that's not in danger anyway.
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You know just saying somethings not complicated doesn't make it so. It is complicated otherwise someone would have done it by now.
No, it's pretty simple. It's just expensive, and no one is motivated enough to spend the money to do it yet.
Or at least, no one who has the money is so motivated.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
Samy,
So it's not cost viable. Here's an idea let's use the resources we have.
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No, it's pretty simple. It's just expensive, and no one is motivated enough to spend the money to do it yet.
So it's not cost viable. Here's an idea let's use the resources we have.
Infrastructure is always expensive. Setup takes more money than maintenance. That doesn't mean it isn't cost-effective over the long term.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
There's also a state factor to revamping the grid. States with lower electricity costs are reluctant to sign onto a plan that would revamp the grid and make it easier for other states to purchase electricity from them since -- while it might drive national prices lower -- it would raise local prices by increasing demand for their cheaper electricity.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
I'm curious have any of you driven an electric car? From everything i've heard it just doesn't compare to the combustible engine. And people like to hear their car roar when they turn it on.
publiusvarus wrote:
I'm curious have any of you driven an electric car? From everything i've heard it just doesn't compare to the combustible engine. And people like to hear their car roar when they turn it on.
publiusvarus wrote:
And people like to hear their car roar when they turn it on.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
publiusvarus wrote:
I'm curious have any of you driven an electric car? From everything i've heard it just doesn't compare to the combustible engine. And people like to hear their car roar when they turn it on.
So, your justification for allowing the fossil fuels problem to go unchecked is...it makes you feel all manly?
Yeah, that tracks.
Edited, May 21st 2009 8:56am by Ambrya
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publiusvarus wrote:
I'm curious have any of you driven an electric car? From everything i've heard it just doesn't compare to the combustible engine. And people like to hear their car roar when they turn it on.
So, your justification for allowing the fossil fuels problem to go unchecked is...it makes you feel all manly?
Yeah, that tracks.
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Ambrya wrote:
So, your justification for allowing the fossil fuels problem to go unchecked is...it makes you feel all manly?
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Ambrya,
What problems?
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So, your justification for allowing the fossil fuels problem to go unchecked
What problems?
Jophed,
As opposed to the metro's who have no ***** to begin with.
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I don't think you understand how vested some guys are in making sure their really loud cars substitute for their penises.
As opposed to the metro's who have no ***** to begin with.
Yeah, not needing to compensate is better evidence of having the all-important *****.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
Any man that says he'd prefer a nice little electric compact over a charger with a hemi is lying.
publiusvarus wrote:
Any man that says he'd prefer a nice little electric compact over a charger with a hemi is lying.
Can you imagine what it must be like to drive down the highway, and the only sounds are the howl of the tires and the wind, and the slight buzz of your electric motor? It must be amazing.
Edited, May 21st 2009 12:47pm by AshOnMyTomatoes
I drove a smartcar once, it was pretty fun. For city commuting it's pretty ideal. Not an electric car, but I'm sure they could make it one fairly easily. At any rate it's amazingly low consumption.
What they need to do is un-romanticize the car. A vehicle is a method to get you from point A to point B, hopefully in some measure of comfort. The ideal vehicle should be determined by the most efficient way to do this. Unfortunately cars are very easy to romanticize, and movies have and will continue to do so.
Edited, May 21st 2009 12:46pm by Xsarus
What they need to do is un-romanticize the car. A vehicle is a method to get you from point A to point B, hopefully in some measure of comfort. The ideal vehicle should be determined by the most efficient way to do this. Unfortunately cars are very easy to romanticize, and movies have and will continue to do so.
Edited, May 21st 2009 12:46pm by Xsarus
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AshOnMyTomatoes wrote:
Can you imagine what it must be like to drive down the highway, and the only sounds is the howl of the tires and the wind, and the slight buzz of your electric motor? It must be amazing.
Man, that sure would make me sad.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Speaking of vehicles, does anyone own a Prius? I'm seriously considering purchasing one very soon and I'm wondering if it is a good investment. I'll be driving...a lot.
Boondock wrote:
Speaking of vehicles, does anyone own a Prius? I'm seriously considering purchasing one very soon and I'm wondering if it is a good investment. I'll be driving...a lot.
The new Insight is a better choice, if you're buying new that is.
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Kastigir wrote:
Boondock wrote:
Speaking of vehicles, does anyone own a Prius? I'm seriously considering purchasing one very soon and I'm wondering if it is a good investment. I'll be driving...a lot.
The new Insight is a better choice, if you're buying new that is.
Well thanks for that. Do you have any particular reasons for this?
Cheaper and better looking.
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