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#27 May 13 2009 at 4:00 PM Rating: Excellent
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Yeah, because reading an odometer at a yearly inspection is tremendously difficult. Far more complicated than testing the CO output of an exhaust system.

It's a system trivially easy to cheat and requiring a significant increase in labor expense.

Edited, May 13th 2009 6:56pm by Allegory


Not to mention my car has not kept an accurate reading on the odometer for about 10 years now.

The instrument panel is damaged (poor solder connections on the back, I need to fix it one day), and 90% of the time the Speedometer doesn't work, and when that happens, it doesn't count miles. I've been at 180k for the past few years.
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#28 May 13 2009 at 4:03 PM Rating: Default
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So...what's up with everyone jumping on varus' posts, that which seems to keep this place going these days, and then rating him in to oblivion?
#29 May 13 2009 at 4:04 PM Rating: Good
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So...what's up with everyone jumping on varus' posts, that which seems to keep this place going these days, and then rating him in to oblivion?


Uh... he's still rated "Decent" right now?

Do you want him to be Guru and Excellent, or something?
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#30 May 13 2009 at 4:05 PM Rating: Decent
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So...what's up with everyone jumping on varus' posts, that which seems to keep this place going these days, and then rating him in to oblivion?

Because people are bored like I am. I'm not seriously arguing with Smash about the feasibility of taxing by miles, because I think it could be reasonably done. I'm just interested in how he'll argue the point.
#31 May 13 2009 at 4:06 PM Rating: Default
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Well hangten went below the filter. I'm guessing old skool varrussword or whatever did too. Seems like you all feed off of his presence, I just don't get why he's constantly rated down when everyone loves to jump on whatever he posts next.

Edited, May 14th 2009 12:11am by BoondockSaint
#32 May 13 2009 at 4:06 PM Rating: Good
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Allegory wrote:
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So...what's up with everyone jumping on varus' posts, that which seems to keep this place going these days, and then rating him in to oblivion?

Because people are bored like I am. I'm not seriously arguing with Smash about the feasibility of taxing by miles, because I think it could be reasonably done. I'm just interested in how he'll argue the point.


So, are they going to send someone out to my house once a year to record my car mileage, or are they going to force me to drive into town, and display my vehicle to the local Secretary of State official?
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#33 May 13 2009 at 4:30 PM Rating: Decent
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It's a system trivially easy to cheat


No, it isn't. It is, in fact, much harder to cheat than a tax on gasoline.


and requiring a significant increase in labor expense.


False.

I'm not in favor of it, because it would require collecting a large sum of money from people at one time as opposed to a large sum of money from them incrementally, which is a bad way to generate revenue. It would be trivially easy to implement a millage tax, though.

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#34 May 13 2009 at 4:32 PM Rating: Good
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It's a system trivially easy to cheat


No, it isn't. It is, in fact, much harder to cheat than a tax on gasoline.


Uh... how exactly?

If you pay taxes on the gasoline, unless you are stealing the gasoline, you are always paying taxes on every bit of gasoline you purchase to use.

If you pay taxes based on your reported mileage on your vehicle, you either lie when reporting it, or you can have a disabled vehicle like mine that doesn't report correctly.

So what's easier... lying about mileage used, or stealing gasoline to avoid taxes?
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#35 May 13 2009 at 4:32 PM Rating: Decent
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So, are they going to send someone out to my house once a year to record my car mileage, or are they going to force me to drive into town, and display my vehicle to the local Secretary of State official?


I recognize that some few states don't require vehicles to be inspected yearly. The vast majority do. The infrastructure isn't complicated, and is in place in 90% of the country, right now.
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#36 May 13 2009 at 4:36 PM Rating: Good
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It's a system trivially easy to cheat


No, it isn't. It is, in fact, much harder to cheat than a tax on gasoline.
How do you cheat a tax on gasoline? You buy gas and get charged a tax. Where is there room to cheat? For an odometer, half of the vehicles I've driven have had it break at some point, admittedly they were older cars, but still, how would you deal with this?

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So, are they going to send someone out to my house once a year to record my car mileage, or are they going to force me to drive into town, and display my vehicle to the local Secretary of State official?


I recognize that some few states don't require vehicles to be inspected yearly. The vast majority do. The infrastructure isn't complicated, and is in place in 90% of the country, right now.
really? that would be annoying.


Edited, May 13th 2009 7:37pm by Xsarus
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#37 May 13 2009 at 4:37 PM Rating: Good
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Xsarus wrote:
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It's a system trivially easy to cheat


No, it isn't. It is, in fact, much harder to cheat than a tax on gasoline.
How do you cheat a tax on gasoline? You buy gas and get charged a tax. Where is there room to cheat? For an odometer, half of the vehicles I've driven have had it break at some point, admittedly they were older cars, but still, how would you deal with this?


Apparently by mandatory yearly inspections (which less than half of the states currently require).
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#38 May 13 2009 at 4:38 PM Rating: Decent
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If you pay taxes based on your reported mileage on your vehicle, you either lie when reporting it, or you can have a disabled vehicle like mine that doesn't report correctly.

So what's easier... lying about mileage used, or stealing gasoline to avoid taxes?


Stealing gasoline would be far easier. People don't, however, because it's not worth the risk. Do you see where this is going? The amount of people who would go through the effort to disable an odometer to avoid this tax is lower than the amount of people who would siphon gasoline from other cars.

Would some people? Of course. Some people steal things to avoid to paying for them. Some people work without record keeping to avoid paying income tax. 99% of people wouldn't.

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#39 May 13 2009 at 4:40 PM Rating: Decent
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which less than half of the states currently require).

Shit, bad guess on my part. You're right, it would be economically unfeasible. My mistake.

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#40 May 13 2009 at 4:40 PM Rating: Default
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How do you cheat a tax on gasoline? You buy gas and get charged a tax. Where is there room to cheat? For an odometer, half of the vehicles I've driven have had it break at some point, admittedly they were older cars, but still, how would you deal with this?



Create a new industry that monitors and repairs odometers, like smog checks. They will require licenses and inspections themselves. On the one hand you create a new business opportunity, on the other you create more government oversight.

Edited, May 14th 2009 12:54am by BoondockSaint
#41 May 13 2009 at 4:43 PM Rating: Good
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Our gas tax isn't for carbon control, it's road repair, bridge repair, and new construction. Without that money we will have woeful roads. Electric cars damage the road just as much as a regular ICE car. That's why we need a mileage tax, eventually.


Isn't this a bit like mileage tax? Still has an environmentalist aspect, but I don't mind that.
#42 May 13 2009 at 4:43 PM Rating: Good
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which less than half of the states currently require).

Shit, bad guess on my part. You're right, it would be economically unfeasible. My mistake.



Well, I wouldn't be against it. But I would find it incredibly annoying.

They'd force me to fix my car Smiley: frown I've driven a 400USD throw away car for the last 8 years for a reason. (I'm cheap).
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#43 May 13 2009 at 4:55 PM Rating: Good
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You could always convert all major freeways into tollways. Wouldn't cover all mileage, obviously, but it would help.

Incidentally, I was trying to convince my Libertarian friend recently that he should like tollways, because they are the ultimate Libertarian form of taxation - you are only charged for the amount of the public service that you yourself use, regardless of income. But he doesn't like them because he says they will use the wireless passes to track his movements.

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But he doesn't like them because he says they will use the wireless passes to track his movements.



Couldn't he just pay in exact change and never have to worry about big brother?
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#45 May 13 2009 at 5:01 PM Rating: Good
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You could always convert all major freeways into tollways. Wouldn't cover all mileage, obviously, but it would help.


I said this already. In a way.

Also, BoondockSaint, hangten was banned.
#46 May 13 2009 at 5:04 PM Rating: Default
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You could always convert all major freeways into tollways. Wouldn't cover all mileage, obviously, but it would help.


I said this already. In a way.

Also, BoondockSaint, hangten was banned.


Ah. Why? And still, I stick by what I said. Why love to have someone to bash on and rate him down constantly so that he can't post?
#47 May 13 2009 at 5:11 PM Rating: Good
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#48 May 13 2009 at 5:20 PM Rating: Good
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Prince BoondockSaint wrote:
Ah. Why? And still, I stick by what I said. Why love to have someone to bash on and rate him down constantly so that he can't post?

I don't love to have him around to bash on. The level of discourse he generates is uninteresting and lazy (and I am including most of the responses to him, not just his own posts). I don't like a forum where every point of an argument has to be explained in painstaking, childlike explicitness.

#49 May 13 2009 at 5:26 PM Rating: Good
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But he doesn't like them because he says they will use the wireless passes to track his movements.

Couldn't he just pay in exact change and never have to worry about big brother?

In Illinois they recently converted everything to open-road tolling. The consequence being that there are only 1 or 2 lanes diverted off to the side of the highway that everyone paying cash must funnel through. So he eventually broke down and got an I-Pass to avoid the delay. (Not that there's much of a line even in the cash lanes, since nearly every commuter uses I-Pass nowadays).

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