Remember when Obama campaigned on the no new taxes on people earning under 250k?
Sure you do.
Wonder if that promise specifically excluded people who eat cherios and drink sodas.
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You're mixing your outrages.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
For the people who don't follow pretentious ******** every minute, can you toss a link from what ever drivel you're reading so we can get a handle on what you're ******** about this time?
Kael,
Ok...since saving Drudge to your favorites is such a task;
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0509/22444.html
And yes I know this is the senate finance committee but you're dumber than I thought if you don't think Obama's meeting with top health care officials had anything to do with this.
Edited, May 13th 2009 5:41pm by publiusvarus
Edited, May 13th 2009 5:41pm by publiusvarus
Ok...since saving Drudge to your favorites is such a task;
Quote:
If you make big bucks — or enjoy alcohol, cigarettes and Coke — the government might hit you up to pay for fixing the nation’s health care system.
On Tuesday, the Senate Finance Committee peeked into vending machines and liquor stores, company payrolls and health savings accounts, looking for a mix of tax increases and spending cuts as a way to pay for a health overhaul — which could cost more than $1.5 trillion over 10 years.
On Tuesday, the Senate Finance Committee peeked into vending machines and liquor stores, company payrolls and health savings accounts, looking for a mix of tax increases and spending cuts as a way to pay for a health overhaul — which could cost more than $1.5 trillion over 10 years.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0509/22444.html
And yes I know this is the senate finance committee but you're dumber than I thought if you don't think Obama's meeting with top health care officials had anything to do with this.
Edited, May 13th 2009 5:41pm by publiusvarus
Edited, May 13th 2009 5:41pm by publiusvarus
SO.. sin taxes?
Not new or exciting.
What it isn't is an income tax increase.
Not new or exciting.
What it isn't is an income tax increase.
Pensive,
A tax increase is a tax increase is a tax increase. Obama ran on the no new taxes for anyone making under 250k mantra. Don't come with this bs that he was only talking about about income taxes.
Just wait until Obama places a sin tax based on the number of miles a person drives a year. I mean sitting on your a** in a car most of the time can't be healthy right? Well lets tax mileage then. Amazing you people have the nerve to talk about freedom while supporting someone who's doing everything in his power to turn you into mush brained automotons.
Edited, May 13th 2009 5:49pm by publiusvarus
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What it isn't is an income tax increase.
A tax increase is a tax increase is a tax increase. Obama ran on the no new taxes for anyone making under 250k mantra. Don't come with this bs that he was only talking about about income taxes.
Just wait until Obama places a sin tax based on the number of miles a person drives a year. I mean sitting on your a** in a car most of the time can't be healthy right? Well lets tax mileage then. Amazing you people have the nerve to talk about freedom while supporting someone who's doing everything in his power to turn you into mush brained automotons.
Edited, May 13th 2009 5:49pm by publiusvarus
Remember when Obama said he'd convert us to a greener nation whose vehicles ran on giggles and unicorn farts? I'm still waiting.
Edit: I recall a pubbie making quite the same promise a little over twenty years ago
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CP9_kkzfN-w
btw, did hangtennow get banned or just perma-unrated?
Edited, May 13th 2009 4:51pm by Tzemesce
Edit: I recall a pubbie making quite the same promise a little over twenty years ago
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CP9_kkzfN-w
btw, did hangtennow get banned or just perma-unrated?
Edited, May 13th 2009 4:51pm by Tzemesce
publiusvarus wrote:
Just wait until Obama places a sin tax based on the number of miles a person drives a year.
I don't think you quite understand what is and is not feasible.
A tax increase is a tax increase is a tax increase.
I'll forward your idea for this to be an increase in the income tax rate instead along to my friends in OMB.
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publiusvarus wrote:
Ok...since saving Drudge to your favorites is such a task;
I have no idea what that means but hey, at least you posted a link for once.
publiusvarus wrote:
Don't come with this bs that he was only talking about about income taxes.
Which he was. And said as much.
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Just wait until Obama places a sin tax based on the number of miles a person drives a year. I mean sitting on your a** in a car most of the time can't be healthy right? Well lets tax mileage then. Amazing you people have the nerve to talk about freedom while supporting someone who's doing everything in his power to turn you into mush brained automotons.
While I have a problem with you reaching for straws on this, I agree with most of this. A tax on junk food, soda and the like is ********* a tax on Cigs and booze, I really don't have a problem with because each state Govn has been doing it for years. It is a sin tax. Only thing is, you get taxed twice for it. (Health care premiums and state and fed taxes on the items themselves)
Regardless, this really doesn't have anything to do with Obama.
Allegory,
You realize the govn just took over the auto industry right?
You realize the govn just took over the auto industry right?
Smashed,
How about we just pass the fair tax plan?
How about we just pass the fair tax plan?
Kael,
He's going to be the one to sign it into law. Then he'll be able to claim he "fixed" the healthcare system.
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Regardless, this really doesn't have anything to do with Obama.
He's going to be the one to sign it into law. Then he'll be able to claim he "fixed" the healthcare system.
He's going to be the one to sign it into law. Then he'll be able to claim he "fixed" the healthcare system.
Then get re-elected along with 65 Democratic Senators. I can see why you'd want to avoid fixing healthcare.
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So this means that people who live unhealthy lifestyles will have to pay for their own medical costs?
Beautiful.
Beautiful.
I'm all for a mileage tax over a gasoline sales tax.
publiusvarus wrote:
You realize the govn just took over the auto industry right?
That doesn't in any way make it reasonably feasible to tax based on miles driven. The cost to tax based on miles driven would be greater than the revenue generated.
Edited, May 13th 2009 5:21pm by Allegory
baelnic wrote:
I'm all for a mileage tax over a gasoline sales tax.
Don't you guys have something like insurance benefits if you drive less? Someone I know has a type of car insurance where they aren't allowed to drive more than 10,000km (6,000mi) a year if they don't want to pay much more.
As for actually taxing mileage, taxing gasoline is much easier. What Allegory said.
Not allowing high pollution types of cars in urban areas is an additional measure many places take nowadays.
Yeah, the per mile tax was discussed, but with the gas tax it's almost around the same anyway. Unless you drive an amazingly efficient car, the extra tax you pay from buying extra gas and driving long distances on highways about balances out with the lower tax that city-only people like me that do 20 miles a day max rack up.
I'm all for soda and Cheetos taxes. Might get me to kick the Coca-Cola habit once and for all.
I'm all for soda and Cheetos taxes. Might get me to kick the Coca-Cola habit once and for all.
Some insurance companies base your rate on how far your drive to work is, you can also get recreational rates and such.
Taxing gas is easier now but if we ever get significant numbers of electric vehicles on the road you will have a huge shortfall in tax revenue for roads (as if we aren't already collecting less than we need to maintain the roads). It also allows you to tax people based on qualitative usage as well.
Not to mention my scooters would probably be exempt and I wouldn't be taxed at all :P
Taxing gas is easier now but if we ever get significant numbers of electric vehicles on the road you will have a huge shortfall in tax revenue for roads (as if we aren't already collecting less than we need to maintain the roads). It also allows you to tax people based on qualitative usage as well.
Not to mention my scooters would probably be exempt and I wouldn't be taxed at all :P
That doesn't in any way make it reasonably feasible to tax based on miles driven. The cost to tax based on miles driven would be greater than the revenue generated.
Yeah, because reading an odometer at a yearly inspection is tremendously difficult. Far more complicated than testing the CO output of an exhaust system.
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baelnic wrote:
Some insurance companies base your rate on how far your drive to work is, you can also get recreational rates and such.
Taxing gas is easier now but if we ever get significant numbers of electric vehicles on the road you will have a huge shortfall in tax revenue for roads (as if we aren't already collecting less than we need to maintain the roads). It also allows you to tax people based on qualitative usage as well.
Not to mention my scooters would probably be exempt and I wouldn't be taxed at all :P
Taxing gas is easier now but if we ever get significant numbers of electric vehicles on the road you will have a huge shortfall in tax revenue for roads (as if we aren't already collecting less than we need to maintain the roads). It also allows you to tax people based on qualitative usage as well.
Not to mention my scooters would probably be exempt and I wouldn't be taxed at all :P
The thing is, climate aware governments want electric cars on the roads. Hell, the UK parliament wants to reward people with cash for buying electric cars. My government does reward the purchase of a more environment friendly car with €2,500 currently.
Might be I'm wrong, but here in Europe both petrol and electricity are about three to four times as expensive as they are in the US, if I'm not mistaken, and I always thought that was because we taxed 'em more. Thus, you might want to do the same.
I like how the OP assumes people who make over 250k/year won't be effected by this. The tax increase on their hot tub full of champagne and naked ladies is sure to sting.
Smasharoo wrote:
Yeah, because reading an odometer at a yearly inspection is tremendously difficult. Far more complicated than testing the CO output of an exhaust system.
It's a system trivially easy to cheat and requiring a significant increase in labor expense.
Edited, May 13th 2009 6:56pm by Allegory
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The thing is, climate aware governments want electric cars on the roads. Hell, the UK parliament wants to reward people with cash for buying electric cars. My government does reward the purchase of a more environment friendly car with €2,500 currently.
Might be I'm wrong, but here in Europe both petrol and electricity are about three to four times as expensive as they are in the US, if I'm not mistaken, and I always thought that was because we taxed 'em more. Thus, you might want to do the same.
Might be I'm wrong, but here in Europe both petrol and electricity are about three to four times as expensive as they are in the US, if I'm not mistaken, and I always thought that was because we taxed 'em more. Thus, you might want to do the same.
Our gas tax isn't for carbon control, it's road repair, bridge repair, and new construction. Without that money we will have woeful roads. Electric cars damage the road just as much as a regular ICE car. That's why we need a mileage tax, eventually.
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