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#52 May 13 2009 at 7:20 AM Rating: Decent
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
True. I just often find it surprising when attractive people don't have very good self-esteem.


It's usually why, in my experience. Most traditionally 'good looking' people are shallow and have low self-esteem. (Obviously not all of them of course. I'm just generalizing based on my experience) It's the ones that aren't classicly good looking that have higher self esteems and have to fight for the *****.

Confidence is god when dealing with the opposite sex.
#53 May 13 2009 at 7:22 AM Rating: Decent
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Belkira the Tulip wrote:
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Also from this and other threads I'm thinking it's the self-esteem thing...


I thought the same thing. Which is odd, 'cause she's really cute.
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Self-esteem issues don't arise from 'looks' or lack of them.


True. I just often find it surprising when attractive people don't have very good self-esteem.


my experience in the modeling arena, yielded many gorgeous women with extremely low self esteems. My guess was that they put so much work and effort into their looks that it became the only thing they were proud of.

One acquaintance, was a high school drop out and outside of modeling had little else going for her, would freak out if she was not the center of attention when she was out at a club with her "girls" (the group would often randomly change because she really had no idea how to be a friend.)

I also noticed that large percentage of them were sexually abused as children.



#54 May 13 2009 at 7:29 AM Rating: Excellent
Well, ****. I'm obviously wrong, and now I feel bad for the sexually abused pretty people. Thanks, guys. Smiley: glare
#55 May 13 2009 at 7:30 AM Rating: Good
Guys, you've got a fUcked up idea of attractive.

Look Fatal, being the size of three women doesn't make you or your boyfriend polyamorous.

In the OP you present the scenario as if you have his best interests at heart, and if you really believe that you're delusional. What'd be best for him is if you just left, because no one needs to deal with someone so insecure. You can't trust him, because you don't value yourself, so you're going to preempt what you see as his eventual and inevitable dissatisfaction by forcing him to have sex with someone else.

Yeah, leave the poor guy alone.
#56 May 13 2009 at 7:32 AM Rating: Decent
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Belkira the Tulip wrote:
Well, sh*t. I'm obviously wrong, and now I feel bad for the sexually abused pretty people. Thanks, guys. Smiley: glare

impossible, you are Belkie, thus even when you are wrong you are right ;)

*hug*

#57 May 13 2009 at 7:33 AM Rating: Excellent
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#58 May 13 2009 at 7:34 AM Rating: Decent
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Forum=4 works for this.

tits or gtfo?
#59 May 13 2009 at 7:43 AM Rating: Good
Ambrya wrote:

I've always been very clear with Mr. Ambrya on the point that whereas I (and therefore, our relationship) could handle physical infidelity, I could NOT handle dishonesty, so I'd much rather he tell me if he feels the need to sleep with someone else rather than just cheating behind my back.


I completely agree with you there - lying is the thing that gets to me, I really hate it , and it always makes me wonder why people feel the need to lie, rather than be honest and work through problems.


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Are you only thinking of one-night-stands for him, just sex with no strings attached? Are you thinking of a triangle situation, where he has a secondary semi-regular partner/relationship, but the emphasis remains on the primary relationship between the two of you? Or are you thinking of a full-on triad situation where you bring a third partner fully into the relationship?


Thats a very good point, I'm definately not thinking one night stands . I'm thinking more along the lines of bringing another female into the relationship, not just for him, but also for me (thats why I said the freedom would extend to me also, I'm Bi, and would like to include that into the relationship.) What I DON'T want is casual threesomes - I want something regular, safe, and with emotional attachment. Not just the sex, but for snuggling up watching movies and cracking a bottle of wine open with too :) I want the focus of the relationship to remain us, as a couple, but I do wan't the inclusion of someone else to be meaningful, not just empty .

As I've said, the boyfriend and I have talked about it as a possibility a little later in the relationship (we currently don't live together, this is something we've discussed doing if and when he moves in and we're settled into our own dynamic) .We both agree that, on paper, it sounds like it could work well for us , like I said, we just lack anyone with experience to direct questions too about it .
#60 May 13 2009 at 7:46 AM Rating: Decent
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As I've said, the boyfriend and I have talked about it as a possibility a little later in the relationship (we currently don't live together, this is something we've discussed doing if and when he moves in and we're settled into our own dynamic) .We both agree that, on paper, it sounds like it could work well for us , like I said, we just lack anyone with experience to direct questions too about it .


Don't do it before you move in together. Moving in with someone takes on a whole new dynamic and financial responsibility and if things go south in an open relationship, better to have it happen before it's harder to end it.
#61 May 13 2009 at 7:50 AM Rating: Excellent
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but also for me (thats why I said the freedom would extend to me also, I'm Bi, and would like to include that into the relationship.)


And the penny drops. Smiley: smile

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#62 May 13 2009 at 7:56 AM Rating: Good
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but also for me (thats why I said the freedom would extend to me also, I'm Bi, and would like to include that into the relationship.)


And the penny drops. Smiley: smile



Hehe, yeah, I really wasn't clear in the OP . Tired late night posting does that to me :)
#63 May 13 2009 at 8:02 AM Rating: Excellent
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I'm going to go on record right now saying it'll never work. Sorry.

You're his first sexual experience and real relationship? And you're older than him? Let me tell you what'll happen: he'll agree to whatever because he wants to sound open-minded and supportive of your ideas and your bisexuality. Then you guys will do it. Then he'll start worrying that you like her more than him. Then he'll get jealous and feel possessive. Then the whole thing will go to hell.

Let me know when it happens so I can say I toldjaso.

Edited, May 13th 2009 11:03am by Jophiel
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#64 May 13 2009 at 8:33 AM Rating: Good
My fiance and I have a closed relationship, and we keep a firm "you can look but don't touch" rule for members of the opposite sex. It doesn't matter that our relationship was the first serious one either of us ever had; it's lasted over seven years now, with happiness and honesty. I was totally cool when he came home from Dragon*Con guilty one year because he'd gotten drunk and kissed a guy, because 1. he told me about it and 2. he did feel a little guilty about violating our primary rule. (And besides, it was Dragion*Con, I'm just glad that's all he did.)

If both of you are comfortable as you are, then you don't need to change anything. It doesn't matter age-wise, or experience-wise. My fiance's mom used to always harp on the fact that she dated around for years before settling on his dad, and maybe he ought to too, but she's given up on that line of attack because it wasn't working and it didn't apply in this situation. Not everyone wants to have buttloads of experience with multiple partners.
#65 May 13 2009 at 9:25 AM Rating: Good
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And of course, the flexibility would extend to both of us, not just him .
This line here stands out to me for some reason. It seems to me that, by your own words, he's ok with the way things are now. Could it be that instead of you wanting him to have more experience you are looking to have a way to broaden your base a bit more without feeling guilty?

Don't get me wrong I'm sure you want to hold onto this person; but your grasping at ways to keep them and be able to do the other seems relatively clear to me. Being that you stated that your partner is fine the way things are now it would stand to reason that the seed of promiscuity lies with you and your desire to go outside the relationship.

I can assure you that your acceptance of them being with someone else with your prior knowledge will not be reciprocated and I imagine if you push this issue it will end with you losing this person. OH, you can and probably will talk them into it, as you say, you're all the life experience they know. They'll eventually agree to it, they'll probably even agree to "go first". At which time it will be your turn and being you have a more open mind, feeling substantially justified to do the same and will;

It will not be fine.

You can not take someone who knows only one person in a physical way and task them accepting something like this, it just won't turn out the way you think/hope it will. You'll lose them.

But maybe I'm just wrong, all I have to build on is your brief description. It just seems to me that if the base reason for this topic to come up was for him to build his experience base alone it would be structured around him building his base...throwing your hat into the ring as well after they've expressed their happiness with things as they are already seems like a backdoor approach to guilt free cheating on your part.


Edited, May 13th 2009 1:36pm by Bauran
#66 May 13 2009 at 9:44 AM Rating: Good
fatalillusiontw wrote:
I'm thinking more along the lines of bringing another female into the relationship, not just for him, but also for me (thats why I said the freedom would extend to me also, I'm Bi, and would like to include that into the relationship.)


So, what you're saying is, you want to have it both ways, a girl and a guy to fuck?

I like you, so I guess I gave you too much credit. It sounds like you really are just trying to satisfy your own itch and you're couching it in terms that makes it sound like it's all for him in order to get him to agree.
#67 May 13 2009 at 9:48 AM Rating: Excellent
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Bauran wrote:
Don't get me wrong
There's no getting it wrong: she wants to fuck other people and figures the best way to have her cake & eat it too is to make it sound like she's really doing it for him.
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#68 May 13 2009 at 9:55 AM Rating: Decent
Jophiel wrote:
Bauran wrote:
Don't get me wrong
There's no getting it wrong: she wants to fuck other people and figures the best way to have her cake & eat it too is to make it sound like she's really doing it for him.


But if she wants to fuck other women and he's cool with that, I say bring it on. You never know when you'll have another chance at that.

Edited, May 13th 2009 12:56pm by Kaelesh
#69 May 13 2009 at 10:00 AM Rating: Good
Kaelesh wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
Bauran wrote:
Don't get me wrong
There's no getting it wrong: she wants to fuck other people and figures the best way to have her cake & eat it too is to make it sound like she's really doing it for him.


But if she wants to fuck other women and he's cool with that, I say bring it on. You never know when you'll have another chance at that.

Edited, May 13th 2009 12:56pm by Kaelesh


Sure, if he's interested. It's just kind of ****** to pretend it's all for him when it's not.
#70 May 13 2009 at 10:03 AM Rating: Excellent
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The OP wrote:
His view on the matter is he's pretty happy as it is, but of course he can't gaurantee he won't want to sow his oats someday, however he loves me and wouldn't want to hurt me by being deceptive
This is the response of someone who is happy as is but is hedging his answer because he knows what she wants to hear and doesn't want to be the one saying "No, I'm not up for the sexual games you're suggesting".
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#71 May 13 2009 at 10:25 AM Rating: Decent
Belkira the Tulip wrote:
Sure, if he's interested. It's just kind of sh*tty to pretend it's all for him when it's not.


I'm not interested in the steps of her approval process, just as long as it's known that he can have 3 somes. Everything else is shadows and dust.
#72 May 13 2009 at 10:30 AM Rating: Good
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Belkira the Tulip wrote:
Sure, if he's interested. It's just kind of sh*tty to pretend it's all for him when it's not.


I'm not interested in the steps of her approval process, just as long as it's known that he can have 3 somes. Everything else is shadows and dust.


Yeah, well, that's because you're not a sensitive kind of boy. Smiley: bah
#73 May 13 2009 at 10:32 AM Rating: Decent
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I'M A MAN-LADY!

I'm just holding out for pictures.
Yes. Yes, you are.
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#75 May 13 2009 at 10:42 AM Rating: Decent
Jophiel wrote:
Yes. Yes, you are.


I will hunt you down.
#76 May 13 2009 at 11:16 AM Rating: Decent
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You know what would be awesome: If your boyfriend came to see this thread.\

Does he know that your desire for him to gain experience is just a ruse for you to have a fling with another girl?
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