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#52 May 12 2009 at 4:09 PM Rating: Excellent
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Really? Wow.

You know, Silver derives his numbers from print sources you just claimed were "neutral" and has cites for every one of his numbers. Makes a lot more sense to take a bunch of uncited numbers given by supporters of the events, though.

Good thinking. And, more importantly, good reporting.
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#53 May 12 2009 at 4:10 PM Rating: Decent
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These numbers were derived from contacting the actual organizers of each event and getting estimates and in some cases actual signup numbers to show how many attended. He's sorted them into low, medium, and high estimates.

The nationwide result is somewhere between 780k and 920k.


Wow, yeah, I'd definitely go with the self reported numbers of organizers. That seems far more valid. Particularly cheap crack today in El Cajon?

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Oh, it's even better... you want to know who helped collect those numbers?
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Yeah, the MSM are liars.

http://www.hench.net/2009/teaparty.htm

The above list is still incomplete and Freepers are working on it.

Here’s the thread.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2229982/posts?q=1&;page=751

Everyone please make sure your numbers for the Tea Party you attended and others in your state are accounted for. I’ve been using the list here (you can click on whatever state you want) and then searching local media sources.

http://taxdayteaparty.com/teaparty/kansas/

We cannot let the MEDIA get away with their lies!!
YES!! Gbaji is going to throw away over a hundred linked and cited numbers with reports from FREEPERS! Smiley: laughSmiley: laughSmiley: laughSmiley: laugh
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Gbaji is going to throw away over a hundred linked and cited numbers with reports from FREEPERS!


Well, they are much larger. You just need to see his POV. Start with what you'd like to be true, then search for anything that reinforces that. I'd imagine the ignorance probably helps a great deal.
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#56 May 12 2009 at 4:20 PM Rating: Default
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Print news tended to be relatively neutral Joph. But they also pretty much ignored it until the day of the events and then covered them locally. It's the coverage leading up to the events on various TV networks that was pretty dismissive. One need only look at the laughing use of the term "teabagging" to describe the events, repeated over and over on TV coverage, even in non-commentary journalism reports on the day.
Didn't notice it. We can pretend that's because I just missed it or that it didn't happen or whatever we want. Regardless, you're not making much iof a case when you whine about the media not properly covering your event and then have to say "Well.. not those guys... THOSE GUYS! THOSE GUYS were mean!"


I don't know how you could have missed it Joph. You didn't once notice all the news channels using the word "teabagging" when talking about it? You didn't notice TDS (which you watch IIRC) making a funny skit about it? You didn't notice MSNBC coverage in which their reporters were literally laughing while giving the report?

This report

Or this one

And this one, in which it's implied that the Conservative folks at Fox were the ones using the word


That last one is the most amusing. The "fun" everyone was having with this was tied into this perception that those foolish Conservatives just didn't know what teabagging was. Yet, while conservatives said things like "tea parties", and referred to "teabags", they didn't specifically talk about "teabagging". That was spin concocted by everyone else in the media.


So yeah. Dismissive. And I don't believe you somehow managed to miss this Joph.

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I mean, I saw it reported in editorial/commentary style clips but not during the ten o'clock news.


Several of those shots in the last link were from evening news segments Joph. You may have missed it, but the mocking aspect of this was pretty prevalent.

Even if it was just one, that's too many Joph. If any single person on any news show made light or a joke about a protest involving race or ethnicity we'd all be up in arms about it. Yet, this protest got mocked pretty much from day one and no one cared. Gee. But there's no bias going on here...


You don't see it because the jokes are funny to you Joph.
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#57 May 12 2009 at 4:24 PM Rating: Decent
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You didn't notice MSNBC coverage in which their reporters were literally laughing while giving the report?


MSNBC is a biased left leaning news source. Is someone arguing this isn't the case? It's a marketing strategy based upon FNC's ratings successes.

Is this your point? That MSNBC is biased similarly to FNC's bias on the right? Ok, I agree. And?
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Several of those shots in the last link were from evening news segments Joph. You may have missed it, but the mocking aspect of this was pretty prevalent.

Even if it was just one, that's too many Joph. If any single person on any news show made light or a joke about a protest involving race or ethnicity we'd all be up in arms about it. Yet, this protest got mocked pretty much from day one and no one cared. Gee. But there's no bias going on here...


You don't see it because the jokes are funny to you Joph.


Yes, Joph. Joph, this is about truth and justice, Joph. The liberal agenda, Joph, would Joph on it's way to Jophing the country into Jophlivion, Joph.
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#59 May 12 2009 at 4:29 PM Rating: Excellent
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Wait a second... you're lnking to a clip from Countdown with Keith Olbermann as non-commentary news?? Really? Have you just NEVER seen the show??

The text bit was an obvious commentary piece by a guest writer who, per the article, is a blogger who "writes for Wonkette and IvyGate." Your third link ******* about Rachel Maddow and again shows the Olbermann clips.

Was this really the evidence you wanted to show to prove that non-commenaty news was mocking the protests?

Please... give me a timestamp for your "10 o'clock news" sections. I saw a whole bunch of Olbermann & Maddow branded stuff.

Edited, May 12th 2009 7:33pm by Jophiel
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Yes, Joph. Joph, this is about truth and justice, Joph. The liberal agenda, Joph, would Joph on it's way to Jophing the country into Jophlivion, Joph.


I'm now trying to wipe chocolate brownie mixed with a latte out of my keyboard....thanks a lot.
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#61 May 12 2009 at 4:38 PM Rating: Excellent
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Even if it was just one, that's too many Joph.
I see we're rapidly moving the goalposts here from "One need only look at the laughing use of the term 'teabagging' to describe the events, repeated over and over on TV coverage, even in non-commentary journalism reports on the day."

Did you need any help? Those look heavy and you're running awfully far downfield with them.
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Jophiel wrote:
Wait a second... you're lnking to a clip from Countdown with Keith Olbermann as non-commentary news?? Really? Have you just NEVER seen the show??


Stop with the bait and switch Joph. I linked to a number of clips from a number of sources. I said that some were commentary and some were evening news type things.

The last one I linked was an MSNBC news report. That the clip was shown on Olbermann's show is irrelevant. It was intended to be a news piece for dissemination.

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The text bit was an obvious commentary piece by a guest writer who, per the article, is a blogger who "writes for Wonkette and IvyGate."


It's "obvious commentary"? It's on the nbcwashington site, on the "news" and "local" tabs. There's nothing to indicate that this is an editorial aside from the writing style. Why would I assume this isn't supposed to be "news" Joph? Because of the content itself?

Is this the state of news sites now? That they mix commentary in with their journalism? Isn't that kinda part of the problem?


The point is that many mainstream news sources picked up the word "teabagging" and repeated it, presumably with lots of ********* from the left about how they got folks on TV to say the word. I personally saw the word used on a local NBC broadcast here in San Diego, and what looked to be one of those scripted news stories that gets carried all over the place. If I remember correctly it when something like this: "There's a new movement taking hold around the country... Teabagging! People from all over blah blah blah... etc...". I don't remember it verbatim, but I saw it, and it was obviously one of those scripts that are sent out to affiliates for them to read on air with their own people.


A whole lot of lefties in the media had a whole lot of fun with this. And yeah. After the fact, it's hard to find transcripts and whatnot. Probably because all of the more mainstream folks removed the content as soon as someone told them what the word meant. No one wants a record of them reading a script with the word teabagging in it Joph. It's kinda obvious why you can't find them now. But they absolutely were using the word in mainstream news stories at the time. I remember thinking repeatedly "Don't they know what that word means"? And not when watching a cable commentary show Joph. Evening news coverage on broadcast TV.
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#63 May 12 2009 at 5:04 PM Rating: Excellent
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Stop with the bait and switch Joph. I linked to a number of clips from a number of sources. I said that some were commentary and some were evening news type things.
No, you linked to two sites that had clips. Both of those sites showed clips from Olbermann's show and from Maddow's. If I'm wrong on this, please link again for me with a time stamp so I know exactly where to find this.
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It's "obvious commentary"?
Yes, it is. I suppose if you were unaware of who he is and were mentally retarded you might think his column was news reporting. The fact that every one of his columns ends with the notation that he's a writer for Wonkette and Ivyblog might also serve as a hint that he's not "reporting".
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The point is that many mainstream news sources picked up the word "teabagging" and repeated it, presumably with lots of ********* from the left about how they got folks on TV to say the word.
you have, so far, failed to make this point.
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I personally saw the word used on a local NBC broadcast here in San Diego...
Awesome. I saw a dinosaur fighting a unicorn. When we can present one another with evidence of this, we'll be able to have a conversation about it.

Edited, May 12th 2009 8:30pm by Jophiel
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I'm sorry guys, but all laughing aside (tea-bagging does rhyme with de-bagging after all, snicker), I would have thought that in the enlightened company that is the arsylum posse everyone would know by now that with the exception of a few notable journalists (very few /mourn) that 'News' as it is disseminated via the teevee/internetz/radio/press is just another form of marketing.

To argue that it (the 'media') is biased one way or another is a pointless exercise, because its so fucking obviously biased.

The mad thing is, they dont even (on the whole) pretend to not be biased. Why? Because most humans dont give a toss past who got booted from American/Australian/UZbeki Idol that week.

For anyone to be getting their grundies in a bundle over individual news items because they show one group of people in a bad light is utterly crass and hardly deserves a whole thread to itself.

The 'News' is run by global corporations ffs! Does anyone really believe that of all the things that global corporations do out there in pursuit of more influence and power and profit, the same ones who also run the 'media', are doing so for their anything other than their own profit driven purposes? As anything other than giant marketing exercises??

C'mon....
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#65 May 13 2009 at 10:59 AM Rating: Good
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Thanks for the giggles at your expense gbajiSmiley: lol You just got my first twitter where I link an Allakhazam post for my followers to check out. I also hashed Teaparties. Should we get a lot of troll from this I will accept the blame.
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#66 May 13 2009 at 11:13 AM Rating: Decent
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Wash. gov OKs tax cut for newspapers
Gov. Chris Gregoire has approved a tax break for the state's troubled newspaper industry.

OLYMPIA, Wash. —
Gov. Chris Gregoire has approved a tax break for the state's troubled newspaper industry.

The new law gives newspaper printers and publishers a 40 percent cut in the state's main business tax. The discounted rate mirrors breaks given in years past to the Boeing Co. and the timber industry.


But tax cuts don't work right?

Unless of course it involves a business that pushes their agenda.

So yes I am right. The media and liberals have always been bed buddies; now it appears they're tying the knot.

A bit ironic that Democrats don't think tax cuts work but then cut the tax rate of their media strongholds by 40% when they're in trouble.






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#67 May 13 2009 at 11:27 AM Rating: Excellent
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But tax cuts don't work right?
You might want to wait until the Washington State newspaper business is thriving before making this argument.
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#68 May 13 2009 at 11:28 AM Rating: Decent
Jophed,

They wouldn't have cut the tax rate for wal-mart if it was in trouble would they?

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They wouldn't have cut the tax rate for wal-mart if it was in trouble would they?
Beats me. I don't live in Washgton state and know jack-all about their governor.
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#71 May 13 2009 at 11:35 AM Rating: Default
Jophiel,

You don't have to. So when the Chicago tribune gets their tax rate dropped and bail out money then it will matter to you?

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You don't have to. So when the Chicago tribune gets their tax rate dropped and bail out money then it will matter to you?
I'll certainly feel more qualified to talk that then than I feel qualified talking about WA's governor's actions.

Lemme know when it happens, kk?
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#73 May 13 2009 at 11:52 AM Rating: Default
Jophed,

It won't be a long wait.
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Found when I did search on twitter for teaparties.

So one State Governor, of a state know to be liberal along the coast, decides their Newspapers need a bail out. Wow that sure to help out some reporters from the risk of layoffSmiley: grin

Better then the Baltimore Sun claiming that between the Internet and newsprint they have over 1 million readers. I wonder if they count each click on their site, or the number of IP addresses that visit each day? Week? Month? I find counting Internet readers pointless, unless they also click on the ads, which I have I block.
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#76 May 13 2009 at 12:12 PM Rating: Decent
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So one State Governor, of a state know to be liberal along the coast, decides their Newspapers need a bail out. Wow that sure to help out some reporters from the risk of layof


The story is Obama's giving it to them. Guess you don't see a conflict of interest there.

Also Time Magazine recently actually asked it's reporters which of them would take a pay cut so they wouldn't have to cut jobs. LMAO wonder which ones stepped up and said, "cut my pay I won't mind".

The only way the liberal media can survive is by taxpayer funded bailouts.

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