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#27 May 10 2009 at 1:14 PM Rating: Good
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Religion fills a void in peoples lives and gives them a meaning and purpose they often otherwise lack. The need for a purpose is a universal one. Regardless of whether you agree with it or not, religion will always be there to fill that need.

Speaking to the OP, I'm confident that humans will always find someone to hate.
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#28 May 10 2009 at 1:24 PM Rating: Good
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Like Red mentioned. Water will be the next big thing that people will fight over. Its already started in some parts of the world. /waves at Jordan valley.

That and people who still clog roads up with caravans at weekends. Stupid ********************** They are next up against the ******* wall.
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#29 May 10 2009 at 3:19 PM Rating: Decent
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As has been said, humanity will always find a new line of division to fight over. National hatred is still quite strong in the world. Those who are overweight in the U.S. are starting to see it less as a disease to correct and more of a differential between them and thin people, so there's a new war. I can guess the winner of that one though...

Hell, people riot over winning or losing soccer games.

Humanity will never get along in peace and harmony, it's not in our make-up it seems. Even if we all looked alike, spoke alike, lived in the same country, wore the same clothes, and did the same jobs, somehow we would discover some small difference and argue over it.
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#30 May 10 2009 at 8:22 PM Rating: Excellent
Water will become a campaign slogan before inmates' rights, because it's much easier to sell. I mean, little kids with dull, salty skin stretched tight over razor-sharp cheekbones are sad, while little kids in jail are just plain funny, with their adorable little footie-jumpsuits. You see, one of those could potentially be a sitcom, and that's the one I want to rally behind.

Edited, May 10th 2009 9:25pm by Barkingturtle
#31 May 10 2009 at 8:30 PM Rating: Excellent
In 20 years, I see Furries as the "new" LGBT community.

And after reading some of the posts over at Furtopia, I can honestly say I will be on Gbaji's side during those debates.

Creepy motherfuckers, the lot of them.
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#32 May 10 2009 at 10:25 PM Rating: Good
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Nobody else smell the faint whiff of elitist xenophobia in the OP?

Pfft. Just me then.
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#33 May 10 2009 at 10:27 PM Rating: Good
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Nobby wrote:
Nobody else smell the faint whiff of elitist xenophobia in the OP?

Pfft. Just me then.


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#34 May 11 2009 at 3:22 AM Rating: Good
GwynapNud the Eccentric wrote:
Nobby wrote:
Nobody else smell the faint whiff of elitist xenophobia in the OP?

Pfft. Just me then.


Smiley: confused


I think it's that you sometimes come off as overly PC on a lot of issues and that might be interpreted as insincere. I've certainly thought that on more than one occasion.
I mean, sometimes we just need to vent our honest anger at those bloody gypsies (and French people).

I don't feel like elaborating further right now.
#35 May 11 2009 at 3:39 AM Rating: Good
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It is acceptable and becomming more mainstream to be gay and rights are being given. The initial battles are won and those willing to fight the opposing war are to put it bluntly .. dying out as they age and die.


In Western Europe. And even then, slowly. There are very few countries in Europe that allow for gay marriage. Civil unions, sure but the fight for completely equal rights is far from over. And then you have countries like Italy, Spain, or Ireland, where the Church is still quite strong, and where gay marriage is still far from becoming a reality. The further East we go, the worst it gets. Russia, for example, is incredibly homophobic. Some states in the US are the same.

We're getting there, but very slowly. And some European countries are not making making much progress at all.

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In its old form - has it survived the theory of evolution? I outright challenge that assumption. "On the Origin of Species" was only published in 1859. The grip of the church on the state (and more crucially the populace minds) has been slipping ever since. The Victorian age was a turning point for religion as a power base, its been in retreat ever since in England at least.


And that's the key. In England. England is not a very religious country at all. It's probably the least religous country in Europe, with France. The CoE is not really "religious" at all.

But look at other EU countries: Abortion is illegal in Ireland, Spain and Italy are still strongly catholic, Greece's orthodox church is extremely influential, the main political party in Germany is the "Christian-Democrats", Norway has a church state that premeates through-out their society... Poland wanted Christian references in the EU constitution... I could go on, think about the Balkans, about Turkey... And that's in Europe, arguably the least religious of all the continents.

If you look at other continents, forget about it. South America is still very religious, North America too, Asia incredibly so... Most of the modern conflicts have religious causes, or at least under-curents: Israel and Gaza, Sri Lanka and the Tamils, Pakistan and the Talibans, Kashmir, Darfur, Chechnya, Lebanon...

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In 50 years time I would hope that any leader making a national decision based on any religious input would be pushed out of office as a throwback to a bygone age.


In England. Maybe in France. In other european countries, the church will still influence politicians decisions, and more importantly, the cultural norms of society.

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China is a concern but I do wonder if they have enough of their own problems to deal with before setting their sights to the rest of the world.


No. China is the next big thing. People that worry about fanatic Islamists are barkig up the wrong tree, at least in the medium/long-term. They are far too divided amongst themselves to be a real threat in the "Clash of civilisations" way. China isn't.

Think about it. Let's say China decides to invade Taiwan tomorrow. What do you think will happen? Is the US and the EU going to to war with them over it? Impose an embargo? Is there anything effective we could do about it? Is there anything we can do about Tibet? About the lack of pressure China is putting on NK? About China's neo-colonialism in Africa?

I agree with you in the sense that the only thing that can stop China being the next super-power in the world, bigger than the US or India, is China itself. But considering that they know this as well as we do, it's unlikely they will make huge mistakes. On the international stage, I don't think there's any doubt that they will be the next big thing.
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#36 May 11 2009 at 4:52 AM Rating: Decent
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GwynapNud the Eccentric wrote:
Racism (of all creeds and colours) is not over but its on the wane. The tide has turned and slowly equal rights are becomming the status quo. Obama in America and a Dalit running for office in India are two prime examples. The impossible is finally possible although I doubt the UK will allow a Scotmans at the helm again Smiley: tongue
Religion is dying as an influence with a vicious last kick of energy as it realises it cannot survive as a true political influencer in a modern information rich world.
Sexism is still present but only passive and its slowly being stamped out in the western world. I'm sure in time it will be negated in the east once they outgrow religious dogma.
LGBT is the new cool and in time will be considered a social norm. Some last kicks from dying religious groups are trying to stop progress but that will soon be muted by legislation.

So my question is, whats left? Who will be the next group to claim to have their rights quashed and usurped? If in the next 20 to 30 years we solve all the problems with rights in the western world what will we have to grumble about. What will be the future threads in the Asylum where they grow to 13 pages based on sheer bullheadedness?

Just a minor thing, Obama stole "yes we can" from 'Bob the Builder', look its true!

Edited, May 10th 2009 1:34pm by GwynapNud
Do you honestly think it's a matter of singling out groups?

Maybe we can simply breed a line of humans that don't pass judgment based on ignorance.
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#37 May 11 2009 at 5:09 AM Rating: Decent
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Omegavegeta wrote:
In 20 years, I see Furries as the "new" LGBT community.

And after reading some of the posts over at Furtopia, I can honestly say I will be on Gbaji's side during those debates.

Creepy motherfuckers, the lot of them.
Never link that **** here again...

I swear, now I'll have nightmares about retards in mascot outfits...
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#38 May 11 2009 at 5:30 AM Rating: Good
Following this post: My thoughts on Gwyn's OP, and on Gwyn in general.

Don't miss it!


Edited, May 11th 2009 1:31pm by RedPhoenixxx
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#39 May 11 2009 at 5:30 AM Rating: Good
I liked your OP, Gwyn. I didn't think it was xenophobic or small-minded. Inaccurate and simplistic maybe, but it had good intentions.

I don't think you're overtly PC either, I've always thought you were rather center-right. You read the Telegraph, you sympathise with the Country Alliance, and you'll vote Tory in the next election, right?
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#40 May 11 2009 at 5:38 AM Rating: Good
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RedPhoenixxx wrote:
Following this post: My thoughts on Gwyn's OP, and on Gwyn in general.

Don't miss it!


Edited, May 11th 2009 1:31pm by RedPhoenixxx
Smiley: lolBest way to deal with a double post, ever!
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#41 May 11 2009 at 5:50 AM Rating: Good
I never said Gwyn's intentions were bad, and the OP is not one of the overly PC things I've noticed.
I just thought I knew where Nobby was coming from a bit.

Also, I think xenophobic is the wrong term for any of this (except her remark about the Scotsmen Smiley: lol).

I'm no good at trolling. Smiley: frown
#42 May 11 2009 at 5:51 AM Rating: Excellent
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GwynapNud the Eccentric wrote:
In its old form - has it survived the theory of evolution? I outright challenge that assumption. "On the Origin of Species" was only published in 1859. The grip of the church on the state (and more crucially the populace minds) has been slipping ever since.
I'm too lazy to look it up again but, during the "Sarah Palin/Intelligent Design" threads, I dug up that approximately half of the US believes in literal Six Day Creationism as described in Genesis. Go ahead and laugh.
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So long as Saudi Arabia remains as it is, you can't claim that any of those four issues have been decisively solved.
#44 May 11 2009 at 6:09 AM Rating: Good
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Nobby wrote:
Nobody else smell the faint whiff of elitist xenophobia in the OP?

Pfft. Just me then.

You want GwynapNud baad.
#45 May 11 2009 at 6:23 AM Rating: Good
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GwynapNud the Eccentric wrote:
In its old form - has it survived the theory of evolution? I outright challenge that assumption. "On the Origin of Species" was only published in 1859. The grip of the church on the state (and more crucially the populace minds) has been slipping ever since.
I'm too lazy to look it up again but, during the "Sarah Palin/Intelligent Design" threads, I dug up that approximately half of the US believes in literal Six Day Creationism as described in Genesis. Go ahead and laugh.


I don't know if this deserves a Smiley: lol or a Smiley: crymore

In other news, pollsters are reporting that 97% of the Asylum think your sig is, and I quote, "sooooo last month." Nobby disagrees, as he firmly believes it's still April 17th 1874.
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I'm getting a jump on April 2010.

I definately think that water will become a large US social issue in the next 20-40 years if not sooner. More and more people are moving to places like Arizona and New Mexico and the western aquifers are drying out. The Great Lakes Compact will be the first landmark in a series of protectionist acts to keep eastern state water where it's at by eastern states stung with lost population, jobs, taxes and Congressional representation from western migration.

Water, being essential to life, will become a major issue as western supplies dwindle and water becomes increasingly expensive due to scarcity.
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#47 May 11 2009 at 6:43 AM Rating: Excellent
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No links but a c'n'p from an older post:
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I didn't easily find any numbers for people who believe that God made the deer and bunnies and apple trees but, according to Gallup, 44% of adults in the US believe that God created human beings, in their present form, within the last 10,000 years.

Actually, further down the page, it states that a 2005 NBC News poll found that 44% of people asked believe that God created the earth in six days, per Genesis.
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#48 May 11 2009 at 6:44 AM Rating: Excellent
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Yeah, we're feeling a definite water pinch - not just this year. It's every year. Even in years with average rain and snow fall, there isn't enough water for California's population and agriculture.

There will never be enough water again. We will always have to buy it from somewhere else.

But even when Northern California had enough water for its population we really didn't, since Southern California needed an inordinate amount of what we did have. So there you go.

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Jophiel wrote:
I'm getting a jump on April 2010.

I definately think that water will become a large US social issue in the next 20-40 years if not sooner. More and more people are moving to places like Arizona and New Mexico and the western aquifers are drying out. The Great Lakes Compact will be the first landmark in a series of protectionist acts to keep eastern state water where it's at by eastern states stung with lost population, jobs, taxes and Congressional representation from western migration.

Water, being essential to life, will become a major issue as western supplies dwindle and water becomes increasingly expensive due to scarcity.
Yes, water - and air. If emissions trading takes off it could pave the wave for natural resources as traded commodities.

(start filling and stashing those water jugs!!)

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#50 May 11 2009 at 6:52 AM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
I'm getting a jump on April 2010.
Flea's making you wait 11 months for a jump? Smiley: jawdrop
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#51 May 11 2009 at 7:28 AM Rating: Good
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Nobby wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
I'm getting a jump on April 2010.
Flea's making you wait 11 months for a jump? Smiley: jawdrop

By then Fleas's womb should be all healed up and ready for gymnastics again.
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