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Prove your statement to be true. Otherwise, you're just avoiding doing so because you have no factual proof to backup what you said.
hangtennow wrote:
I'm sure Jophed can link you to it, he was the one who got his panties in a bunch on that one.
Was fun getting you banned though
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
hangtennow wrote:
Did you people know we use waterboarding as a training technique on our own troops?
Point being that we're supposed to be "Better" than the guys we're fighting, not take their actions as an excuse to stoop to their level.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
TirithRR wrote:
Sometimes I think Varus is really a liberal, who does his damnedest to make the right look as bad as possible, to try and discredit the moderates.
You wouldn't be the first. Conversely, shadowrelm is almost certain a Republican.
If anyone's interested, here's an article written by a former Marine who went through the torture school (SERE):
http://www.slate.com/id/2210059/pagenum/all/#p2
And another explaining why the SERE experience doesn't replicate actual torture:
http://www.slate.com/id/2216702/pagenum/all/#p2
(Yes, I read Slate daily, sorry to keep foisting links on you all.)
trickybeck wrote:
(Yes, I read Slate daily, sorry to keep foisting links on you all.)
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
I think the Asylum should be renamed "Varus, Gbaji, and a bunch of libs."
or
"A bunch of libs, and varus and gbaji."
or
"A bunch of libs, and varus and gbaji."
LockeColeMA wrote:
Read again:
What the article actually says is that while she was told of other harsh techniques being used, and was informed that waterboarding was an option, it was not being used (or at least she was told as such).
Quote:
"As this document shows, the Speaker was briefed only once, in September 2002. The briefers described these techniques, said they were legal, but said that waterboarding had not yet been used," said Brendan Daly, Pelosi's spokesman.
What the article actually says is that while she was told of other harsh techniques being used, and was informed that waterboarding was an option, it was not being used (or at least she was told as such).
The quote was from Pelosi's spokesman. The "article" doesn't say that. The article just quotes him saying that. Elsewhere, the article says this:
Quote:
The memo, issued by the Director of National Intelligence and the Central Intelligence Agency to Capitol Hill, notes the Pelosi-Goss briefing covered "EITs including the use of EITs on Abu Zubaydah." EIT is an acronym for enhanced interrogation technique. Zubaydah was one of the earliest valuable al-Qaeda members captured and the first to have the controversial tactic known as water boarding used against him.
She was briefed, not just about enhanced interrogation techniques (like Waterboarding), but on their use as well. That's the point. She's been claiming that they just told her about the techniques, but never said they were actually using them. Which is a pretty pathetically flimsy position in the first place. Why did she think she, as one of the four people with oversight on those interrogations was being informed about the techniques that were approved if not to "approve" them from a congressional oversight POV?
But even that is turning out to be false. Those briefings did include not just information about the techniques, but also their use in the field. So she was told "We're using <technique> on this guy". Her faux outrage at the horrible treatment of the detainees at Gitmo kinda ring false when she was one of four people who were approving those exact interrogations, don't you think?
Sheesh! I've got to stop whacking my own posts...
Edited, May 8th 2009 7:03pm by gbaji
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
Your cite just says that she was notified that EITs were being used. There are more EITs then just waterboarding, so there is no contradiction here. She could of course be lying but there is no indication of that in your cite. Stop reading things that aren't there.
Edited, May 8th 2009 8:46pm by Xsarus
Edited, May 8th 2009 8:46pm by Xsarus
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Zubaydah was one of the earliest valuable al-Qaeda members captured and the first to have the controversial tactic known as water boarding used against him.
There's an implication there that the EIT used on him was waterboarding. But you are correct. The article (and presumably memo) doesn't specifically say she was informed about Waterboarding. But then, her objection wasn't restricted to just waterbording, was it? She was leading the charge to condemn a whole set of "enhanced interrogation techniques".
Let's not get caught up on Varus' choice of words in the title. Pelosi made that claim about EITs in general, not just about waterboarding. Her spokesman's quote *also* does not just say that she was only informed about "waterboarding", but not that it was being used. He claimed (on her behalf), that she was only informed about the techniques (all of them), but not that they were being used.
The specific language from the memo would seem to refute that claim.
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
gbaji wrote:
The specific language from the memo would seem to refute that claim.
"EITs including the use of EITs on Abu Zubaydah" doesn't, to me, read as "EITs including exactly what EITs were being used on Abu Zubaydah." Also, was the briefing done before they used waterboarding on him? When she was being debriefed, might they have said "We also consider waterboarding an EIT. This is what waterboarding is. We'll never use it."?
It just seems like quite a jump to go from "Pelosi was debriefed on EITs" to "Pelosi was told that waterboarding was being used and OKed it." unless the memo explicitly said that.
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