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#1 May 07 2009 at 6:53 PM Rating: Default
Is anyone surprised? I mean she is a Democrat.

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Intelligence officials released documents this evening saying that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) was briefed in September 2002 about the use of harsh interrogation tactics against al-Qaeda prisoners, seemingly contradicting her repeated statements over the past 18 months that she was never told that these techniques were actually being used


http://voices.washingtonpost.com/capitol-briefing/2009/05/cia_says_pelosi_was_briefed_on.html

#2 May 07 2009 at 7:15 PM Rating: Excellent
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#3 May 07 2009 at 7:44 PM Rating: Excellent
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Sometimes I think Varus is really a liberal, who does his damnedest to make the right look as bad as possible, to try and discredit the moderates.


(Not that any moderates follow the right anymore anyway... since the republicans seem to have forgotten their not-so-crazy friends in favor of the extremists.)
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#4 May 08 2009 at 3:33 AM Rating: Good
How many paragraphs of that article did you read, Varrus?

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"As this document shows, the Speaker was briefed only once, in September 2002. The briefers described these techniques, said they were legal, but said that waterboarding had not yet been used," said Brendan Daly, Pelosi's spokesman.

Pelosi's statement did not address whether she was informed that other harsh techniques were already in use during the Zubaydah interrogations.

In December 2007 the Washington Post reported that leaders of the House and Senate intelligence committees had been briefed in the fall of 2002 about waterboarding -- which simulates drowning -- and other techniques, and that no congressional leaders protested its use. At the time Pelosi said she was not told that waterboarding was being used, a position she stood by repeatedly last month when the Bush-era Justice Department legal documents justifying the interrogation tactics were released by Attorney General Eric Holder.

The new memo shows that intelligence officials were willing to share the information about waterboarding with only a sharply closed group of people. Three years after the initial Pelosi-Goss briefing, Bush officials still limited interrogation technique briefings to just the chairman and ranking member of the House and Senate intelligence committees, the so-called Gang of Four in the intelligence world.

In October 2005, CIA officials began briefing other congressional leaders with oversight of the intelligence community, including top appropriators who provided the agency its annual funding. Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), a prisoner-of-war in Vietnam and an opponent of torture techniques, was also read into the program at that time even though he did not hold a special committee position overseeing the intelligence community.

A bipartisan collection of lawmakers have criticized the practice of limiting information to just the "Gang of Four", who were expressly forbidden from talking about the information from other colleagues, including fellow members of the intelligence committees. Pelosi and others are considering reforms that would assure a more open process for all committee members.


She was briefed in '02 regarding EIT, and told as of then that waterboarding wasn't being used, according to the report. Also, note that they reiterate that the Bush administration kept a very close seal on "who" knew about it being legalized, and officials that knew were "expressly forbidden" from talking about it to other colleagues.

So apparently Pelosi was one of Bush's "Gang of Four", according to you?
#5 May 08 2009 at 3:47 AM Rating: Excellent
And so begins a 7-page thread which will culminate in Smasharoo and gbaji arguing about same-sex marriage.
#6 May 08 2009 at 4:13 AM Rating: Default
Ryne,

Pelosi was told that waterboarding was being used. She flat out lied about what she had been told.

And no not all politicians are scum, just most of the democrats. Funny how you liberals don't use that catch all when a member of the GOP is caught out of line.

Get ready for the Hillary "I don't recall" defense. I generally find Democrats are pathetic self-loathing individuals whose goal in life is to see to it that everyone else is as miserable as they are.



Edited, May 8th 2009 8:14am by hangtennow
#7 May 08 2009 at 4:23 AM Rating: Decent
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hangtennow wrote:
Ryne,

Pelosi was told that waterboarding was being used. She flat out lied about what she had been told.

And no not all politicians are scum, just most of the democrats. Funny how you liberals don't use that catch all when a member of the GOP is caught out of line.

Get ready for the Hillary "I don't recall" defense. I generally find Democrats are pathetic self-loathing individuals whose goal in life is to see to it that everyone else is as miserable as they are.



Edited, May 8th 2009 8:14am by hangtennow


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"As this document shows, the Speaker was briefed only once, in September 2002. The briefers described these techniques, said they were legal, but said that waterboarding had not yet been used,"


What the article actually says is that while she was told of other harsh techniques being used, and was informed that waterboarding was an option, it was not being used (or at least she was told as such).

Edited, May 8th 2009 8:25am by LockeColeMA
#8 May 08 2009 at 4:24 AM Rating: Decent
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#9 May 08 2009 at 4:25 AM Rating: Excellent
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Is hang a 600+ post sock?


No, he's Varrus.
#10 May 08 2009 at 4:27 AM Rating: Decent
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Hmmm newness showing, Varrus is beyond my time and filter setting.
#11 May 08 2009 at 4:32 AM Rating: Good
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Hmmm newness showing, Varrus is beyond my time and filter setting.


He's been around. He's been banned at least 4 times since I've been in the Asylum, usually after he says something offensive like desiring Chicago being bombed by terrorists. But we don't mind him all that much, really. He's kinda like one of those punching dummies that pop back up every time you smack him down.

I'm guessing he's nice enough if you don't talk about anything political, economic, or religious. Unfortunately, this is the Asylum.

And he farms okra, which is neat.
#12 May 08 2009 at 5:42 AM Rating: Decent
Varrus wrote:
Pelosi was told that waterboarding was being used.


Prove it.
#13 May 08 2009 at 8:26 AM Rating: Decent
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Ryneguy wrote:
Varrus wrote:
Pelosi was told that waterboarding was being used.


Prove it.


The onus is on you to waterboard the truth out of Varrus.
#14 May 08 2009 at 8:44 AM Rating: Good
I'd hardly say onus. Satisfying duty, maybe... Smiley: laugh

Edited, May 8th 2009 12:44pm by Ryneguy
#15 May 08 2009 at 8:47 AM Rating: Excellent
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Given that I wanted the practice ended and never called for nailing everyone involved to the wall, I... guess I don't care one way or the other?

I suppose if Pelosi was in my district, I might have more of an opinion. It won't make any difference in her district though for the same reason the Foley scandal didn't affect Hasterts's district: You'd be an idiot to vote your rep out when they're Speaker of the House.
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#16 May 08 2009 at 9:02 AM Rating: Good
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Do democrats even like Pelosi? I mean, I lean to the left and I'm not a big fan.
#17 May 08 2009 at 9:06 AM Rating: Excellent
Pelosi doesn't even like Pelosi...
#18 May 08 2009 at 9:08 AM Rating: Excellent
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Pelosi is the new H. Clinton. If you're trying to insult liberals, you try to dig up dirt on Pelosi and then crow "Haha! Your leader and High Goddess did this!!". Whether or not said liberal/Democrat spends any time worrying about Pelosi doesn't matter.

At least Pelosi is in a position of power where criticisms of her are somewhat valid. With Hillary Clinton, it was just strange and confusing why anyone would think I gave a rat's *** about her.
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#19 May 08 2009 at 9:18 AM Rating: Decent
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Do democrats even like Pelosi? I mean, I lean to the left and I'm not a big fan.


I like her. She's left of me, but I don't mind that.

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#20 May 08 2009 at 9:43 AM Rating: Default
Locked,

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He's been around. He's been banned at least 4 times since I've been in the Asylum


More than that.


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usually after he says something offensive like desiring Chicago being bombed by terrorists


I didn't say that. What I did say was taken out of context and I won't repeat. I'm sure Jophed can link you to it, he was the one who got his panties in a bunch on that one.

Oh and people here tend to be offended when someone uses the N word.
#21 May 08 2009 at 9:45 AM Rating: Good
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hangtennow wrote:


Oh and people here tend to be offended when someone uses the N word.


Hahaha! Go figure....
#22 May 08 2009 at 9:49 AM Rating: Default
The irony is I was using the N word to describe a certain type of person. Much like someone uses the phrase "white trash" to describe a certain type of person. When someone uses the term "white trash" we don't assume they're talking about every single white person.



Edited, May 8th 2009 1:50pm by hangtennow
#23 May 08 2009 at 9:52 AM Rating: Good
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hangtennow wrote:
The irony is I was using the N word to describe a certain type of person.
That's not irony in any way.
#24REDACTED, Posted: May 08 2009 at 9:55 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Ash,
#25 May 08 2009 at 9:55 AM Rating: Good
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hangtennow wrote:
Ash,

Yes it is.


Did you people know we use waterboarding as a training technique on our own troops?

Willing participants, etc.
#26 May 08 2009 at 9:58 AM Rating: Default
Ash,

You completely missed the point.
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