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#52 May 27 2009 at 6:29 AM Rating: Decent
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This lady is nothing more than a judicial activist whose openly stated that she thinks it's the jobs of judges to make policy from the bench. That she says this in the first place shows exactly what kind of judge she is and how she regards the process.


Are you ever happy with your lot?
If it weren't for the comy liberal socialists holding him down, he'd be a tycoon farmer, a pro-football player, or President. As it is he has to settle for middle-classyness. You'd be pissed too.
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#53 May 27 2009 at 6:36 AM Rating: Default
Goggy,

I love my lot. What I don't like are racist judges who support discrimination based on the colour of ones skin. What I don't like is having to pay for all those ebt (food stamp) cards that seem to be everywhere these days. I'm sick of responsible mtg paying citizens having to bail out people who should never have been loaned money to begin with. And so on.

#54 May 27 2009 at 6:54 AM Rating: Decent
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publiusvarus wrote:
Goggy,

I love my lot. What I don't like are racist judges who support discrimination based on the colour of ones skin. [quote]Yet, you admittedly are open to discrimination based on gender. What gives?

[quote] What I don't like is having to pay for all those ebt (food stamp) cards that seem to be everywhere these days. I'm sick of responsible mtg paying citizens having to bail out people who should never have been loaned money to begin with. And so on.
Your options are? Provide no base-line safety net? What do you intend to do with the kids that don't get fed, sheltered or educated? They'll end up in prison, where you'll pay far more in taxes to support them.

It's really easy, yet really ignorant to spit out crap like "why should I have to pay for someone else". It's not quite as easy to think through the benefits and responsibilities that come with being a member of a society. If you want out though - you can have out. You don't want to pay taxes - don't. Leave society, shed your clothes, head to the hills. The next time there is a Big Foot sighting, we here that peruse Allas will know it's just Varus again.

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#55 May 27 2009 at 7:13 AM Rating: Default
Elinda,

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Your options are? Provide no base-line safety net?


D*mn right. Maybe after a generation or two these people will stop having babies they can't afford. Obviously your solution isn't working.

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What do you intend to do with the kids that don't get fed, sheltered or educated?


They're not being educated as is. If someone needs more than 6 months to 1yrs "aid" the child should be taken from them. No different than taking a child out of meth house. Children of parents who have been on welfare their entire lifes do end up in prison. The exceptions are the ones that make it out. Like i've said your system, that's been tried the last 60yrs, isn't working. We need drastic change.

#56 May 27 2009 at 7:16 AM Rating: Decent
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publiusvarus wrote:
Elinda,

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Your options are? Provide no base-line safety net?


D*mn right. Maybe after a generation or two these people will stop having babies they can't afford. Obviously your solution isn't working.

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What do you intend to do with the kids that don't get fed, sheltered or educated?


They're not being educated as is. If someone needs more than 6 months to 1yrs "aid" the child should be taken from them. No different than taking a child out of meth house. Children of parents who have been on welfare their entire lifes do end up in prison. The exceptions are the ones that make it out. Like i've said your system, that's been tried the last 60yrs, isn't working. We need drastic change.
How is it not working?
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#57 May 27 2009 at 7:16 AM Rating: Good
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Elinda,

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Your options are? Provide no base-line safety net?


D*mn right. Maybe after a generation or two these people will stop having babies they can't afford. Obviously your solution isn't working


I understand your frustration, and even agree to an extent. The problem is, the parents aren't the ones who are punished, it's the children. They have to be provided for in some way, it's not right to let them suffer to punish the parents.
#58 May 27 2009 at 7:23 AM Rating: Decent
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Elinda,

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Your options are? Provide no base-line safety net?


D*mn right. Maybe after a generation or two these people will stop having babies they can't afford. Obviously your solution isn't working


I understand your frustration, and even agree to an extent. The problem is, the parents aren't the ones who are punished, it's the children. They have to be provided for in some way, it's not right to let them suffer to punish the parents.
No, that is not the problem. I'm sorry I used children in the example. The problem is we are people. There will always be those that can not take care of themselves. Because we are people, we are societal, we take care of them. There will always be other people that can take care of themselves, but don't - for whatever reason. We don't scrap the system because of them.
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#59 May 27 2009 at 8:14 AM Rating: Decent
Elinda,

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There will always be other people that can take care of themselves, but don't - for whatever reason. We don't scrap the system because of them.


So your solution is to do nothing and continue to let generation after generation suck off the govn t*t. That's not working. That's why we see more people on govn "assistance" than ever before. People no longer feel responsible for their actions. And your solution is simply to say this behaviour is unavoidable so just pay for your neighbor and shut the f*ck up. After a family has been on welfare for over 20yrs why can't we take them off? You literally have families 3 generations deep that have never not been on govn welfare.

Get these people fixed, take away their privelege to vote. Do these people deserve the same representation as tax paying citizens?

The whole system is sick and you actually think it's working.
#60 May 27 2009 at 8:17 AM Rating: Excellent
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Children of parents who have been on welfare their entire lifes do end up in prison. The exceptions are the ones that make it out.


Children of wealthy capitalists end up in prison. The exceptions are the ones who don't.

What the fUCk is your point? Give some hard numbers to bear it out.

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#61 May 27 2009 at 8:18 AM Rating: Good
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The whole system is sick and you actually think it's working.
Why are we blaming the portion of the "system" that's attempting to help these people, rather than the portion of the system that provides a way for people to come to this pass to begin with?
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Given the pretty much sure bet of this woman becoming a Justice, I find it hard to get too riled up. It's going to happen and Varrus can just cry about it.
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#63 May 27 2009 at 8:26 AM Rating: Good
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publiusvarus wrote:
Elinda,

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There will always be other people that can take care of themselves, but don't - for whatever reason. We don't scrap the system because of them.


So your solution is to do nothing and continue to let generation after generation suck off the govn t*t. That's not working. That's why we see more people on govn "assistance" than ever before. People no longer feel responsible for their actions. And your solution is simply to say this behaviour is unavoidable so just pay for your neighbor and shut the f*ck up. After a family has been on welfare for over 20yrs why can't we take them off? You literally have families 3 generations deep that have never not been on govn welfare.

Get these people fixed, take away their privelege to vote. Do these people deserve the same representation as tax paying citizens?

The whole system is sick and you actually think it's working.
What is NOT working? Yes, people try and cheat on ANYTHING. It doesn't mean the thing doesn't work. The welfare system has been refined, tightened up, revamped time and again. It's far from perfect, but it's still essential in a humane society.

People still successfully hack the internets, but I don't hear you saying that the net is sick and not working.

Quit your god dam whining. This SICK country had provided you with a pretty dam good life. Whiney *** ignoramus, time to sub-default your butt again. Your so frickin stubbornly ignorant it's scary.






Edited, May 27th 2009 6:27pm by Elinda
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#64 May 27 2009 at 8:26 AM Rating: Excellent
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Do these people deserve the same representation as tax paying citizens?
yes. Democracy is not supposed to be based on how much money you make. It's amusing that you think poor people are getting any meaningful representation as it is.
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#65 May 27 2009 at 8:36 AM Rating: Decent
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Hey Varus, If you want to be outraged at people taking advantage of our democratic system, maybe you want to focus on the public service-hogging tax evaders. They be costing you more than Joe Streetsleeper and his $90/month welfare check.






Edited, May 27th 2009 6:36pm by Elinda
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#66 May 27 2009 at 8:38 AM Rating: Excellent
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Or embezzlers. Or Bernie Madoff. Or inside traders.

There's not much out there any more anti-free enterprise than those guys.
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#67 May 27 2009 at 9:02 AM Rating: Decent
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Elinda wrote:
Who's gonna be Bamas first pick for SC Justice?

A woman?

A minority?

Pubbies have already sworn to fight against his choice, pretty much whoever it may be.

Good call!
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we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.
#68 May 27 2009 at 9:03 AM Rating: Good
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I love this, although it plays right into varrus's fears:

CNN.com wrote:
The Republican Party risks further alienation from Hispanics by challenging the nomination of Sonia Sotomayor, who would become the first Hispanic, and third woman, on the Supreme Court.
#69 May 27 2009 at 9:51 AM Rating: Default
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yes. Democracy is not supposed to be based on how much money you make. It's amusing that you think poor people are getting any meaningful representation as it is.


What's amazing is they are getting meaningful representation. This is why they continue to get their welfare checks and ebt cards. Something doesn't seem right about someone who can't earn enough to feed themselves and their children being able to choose our leaders.


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What is NOT working? Yes, people try and cheat on ANYTHING.


We're not talking about cheaters; we're talking about 3rd generation welfare cases. When do we end the madness? We're talking about women/men who have 5 kids they can't care for and keep having more. When do we fix these people?


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It doesn't mean the thing doesn't work. The welfare system has been refined, tightened up, revamped time and again. It's far from perfect, but it's still essential in a humane society.


I've never argued against no assistance. Like i've said numerous times certain people need help; mentally ill, disabled, and a few other specific cases. What we need to stop is continuing to fund the lifestyles of people who continue to make poor choices. Here's a thought after the first child get the couple fixed if they're on welfare.
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publiusvarus wrote:
Something doesn't seem right about someone who can't earn enough to feed themselves and their children being able to choose our leaders.
They can't. They do get to take part in it, though. Just like you and me.
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#71 May 27 2009 at 10:10 AM Rating: Excellent
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So voting privileges should have been suspended during the Great Depression?

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#72 May 27 2009 at 10:12 AM Rating: Decent
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publiusvarus wrote:

We're not talking about cheaters; we're talking about 3rd generation welfare cases. When do we end the madness? We're talking about women/men who have 5 kids they can't care for and keep having more. When do we fix these people?


You call them 3rd generation welfare cases. I might call them 3rd generation poverty cases. It does point out that the system is, indeed, broke. The gap between income classes is growing like never before. Somehow I don't think you can blame that on our welfare system.
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I've never argued against no assistance. Like i've said numerous times certain people need help; mentally ill, disabled, and a few other specific cases. What we need to stop is continuing to fund the lifestyles of people who continue to make poor choices. Here's a thought after the first child get the couple fixed if they're on welfare.
Well good luck with that. I'm sure the cost to insure public assistance to only those deserving will be astronomical.

Fix couples? You mean fix women.
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#74 May 27 2009 at 10:16 AM Rating: Excellent
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Right, so if you count all the bread lines and what not during the Depression, ruining the banking industry seems like a good way to disenfranchise the citizenry.

Under your totalitarian regime, that is.

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#75 May 27 2009 at 10:18 AM Rating: Default
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Fix couples? You mean fix women.


Both.


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I'm sure the cost to insure public assistance to only those deserving will be astronomical.


So you're telling me we can't invent a program that determines who's been on welfare over 1yr and having that program kick them off if they have? And if they have children have dcs pick them up the day they're kicked off.



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And if they have children have dcs pick them up the day they're kicked off.
That makes sense. It's a lot cheaper to have the state provide 100% of the food, shelter, clothing, etc for the kids.

Smiley: dubious
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