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You say torture I say implement stringent interrogation tactics.
I say penalty for Okra farming. Tomato, tomahto.
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Okra is disgusting...
Can't sleep, clown will eat me.
Pensive the Ludicrous wrote:
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He used a forfex to exsanguinate the malefactor, but the sangfroid was thixotropic
He used a spiky weapon to drain the blood from the evil force, but the... and I lost it.
Care to educate, tricky?
forfex = scissors
malefactor = evil doer
sangfroid = metaphorically "cold blood," used literally here
thixotropic = the property of a semisolid that becomes more liquid when stirred or shaken
Just some of my favorite sounding words...
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Okra is disgusting...
Take it back you strumpet
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Just some of my favorite sounding words...
My favourite word is plenipotentiary.
Pensive the Ludicrous wrote:
My favourite word is plenipotentiary.
Mine is sesquipedalian.
I suck at quotes, not gonna try.
Waterboarding is done with a cloth. It gets soaked with water and gives the effect of drowning. Doing it with plastic would eliminate the need for water... Because you'd already be suffocating.
I've had it done to me. If there is no real threat of death, it's not very effective. I can only imagine how it would feel mentally if you were in a small room full of people screaming at you angrily.
Waterboarding is done with a cloth. It gets soaked with water and gives the effect of drowning. Doing it with plastic would eliminate the need for water... Because you'd already be suffocating.
I've had it done to me. If there is no real threat of death, it's not very effective. I can only imagine how it would feel mentally if you were in a small room full of people screaming at you angrily.
DsComputer wrote:
I suck at quotes, not gonna try.
Waterboarding is done with a cloth. It gets soaked with water and gives the effect of drowning. Doing it with plastic would eliminate the need for water... Because you'd already be suffocating.
I've had it done to me. If there is no real threat of death, it's not very effective. I can only imagine how it would feel mentally if you were in a small room full of people screaming at you angrily.
Waterboarding is done with a cloth. It gets soaked with water and gives the effect of drowning. Doing it with plastic would eliminate the need for water... Because you'd already be suffocating.
I've had it done to me. If there is no real threat of death, it's not very effective. I can only imagine how it would feel mentally if you were in a small room full of people screaming at you angrily.
This is the bit that a lot of people dont' get.
The amount of water used in training waterboarding is not the same as the amount used in torture waterbaording, because it's just too dangerous. It's not "simulated drowning", it's actual drowning, except you are able to do it while keeping the prisoner safely trussed up and immobilised instead of having to dunk them in and out of buckets of water. Your hands and legs are tied down, you have a cloth hood over your face, and a cloth over that. Water is then poured over your face in enough quantities that both your nose and mouth are inside streams of water at the same time. As soon as you take your first breath, you are going to get water in your lungs, whether it is via your nose, your mouth, or both. You are utterly at the mercy of your captors to stop the water and turn you over and let you cough the water out of your lungs, which is both terrifying and excruciatingly painful. Turning you over and pounding on you to drain your lungs is necessary depending on how far you take it. An experienced waterboarder could keep a healthy, robust prisoner at the edge of death for as long he liked. And in a LOT of physical agony.
Edited, May 2nd 2009 2:49pm by Aripyanfar
Waterboarding is done with a cloth. It gets soaked with water and gives the effect of drowning. Doing it with plastic would eliminate the need for water... Because you'd already be suffocating.
The plastic doesn't cover the nostrils, genius.
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I rather like one method employed, which was to get a Muslim American scholar to question them and repudiate them with quotations from the Koran from memory, eventually gaining their trust and helping to convince them that hey, maybe innocent Americans AREN'T the devil and maybe killing thousands of people isn't an effective political tool after all.
They're brainwashed, and wearing down the brainwashing over time is way more effective than pulling out fingernails.
They're brainwashed, and wearing down the brainwashing over time is way more effective than pulling out fingernails.
Cat,
Have you ever tried to change someones mind who truly believed they were in the right? Now imagine that person believes that murdering sinners is the surest way to secure a path to heaven. Do you really think reasoning with them is going to change anything?
That still doesn't answer the question of how you would get information from a terrorist regarding their operations.
Have you ever tried to change someones mind who truly believed they were in the right? Now imagine that person believes that murdering sinners is the surest way to secure a path to heaven. Do you really think reasoning with them is going to change anything?
That still doesn't answer the question of how you would get information from a terrorist regarding their operations.
I rather like one method employed, which was to get a Muslim American scholar to question them and repudiate them with quotations from the Koran from memory, eventually gaining their trust and helping to convince them that hey, maybe innocent Americans AREN'T the devil and maybe killing thousands of people isn't an effective political tool after all.
They're brainwashed, and wearing down the brainwashing over time is way more effective than pulling out fingernails.
Not particular, inflicting pain over time would be as effective. The key to what's effective is breaking people down mentally over a period of time. There's no debate over what the most effective methods of extracting information are, they just take time. The desire to short cut that process is irresistible to people who don't understand the process and leads to the use of pointless techniques that accomplish nothing. There is nothing you can do to a person that will effectively persuade them to give you accurate information quickly. Technology may change that, 1000 year old torture techniques won't.
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To make a long story short, I don't take any responsibility for anything I post here. It's not news, it's not truth, it's not serious. It's parody. It's satire. It's bitter. It's angsty. Your mother's a *****. You like to jack off dogs. That's right, you heard me. You like to grab that dog by the bone and rub it like a ski pole. Your dad? Gay. Your priest? Straight. **** off and let me post. It's not true, it's all in good fun. Now go away.
hangtennow wrote:
Johped,
I'm curious how liberals intend to gain intel from captured terrorist?
And if you think sleep deprivation, truth serum, or playing loud music is the answer you're a tool.
I'm curious how liberals intend to gain intel from captured terrorist?
And if you think sleep deprivation, truth serum, or playing loud music is the answer you're a tool.
Intel from torture is trash, worthless intel. Anything will be said, to make the torture go away. If you want information, you use forensic, policing, and spying techniques.
Sleep Deprivation and the same loud song played nonstop over days are also torture techniques and are also trash.
If you capture a terrorist, you put him or her on trial and you lock the guilty up for their proven crimes.
Sleep Deprivation and the same loud song played nonstop over days are also torture techniques and are also trash.
Actually time shifting (sleep deprivation/light cycle manipulation) is quite effective.
Making blanket statements that "nothing works" is as idiotic as making blanket statements that "the worse it is the faster they talk".
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To make a long story short, I don't take any responsibility for anything I post here. It's not news, it's not truth, it's not serious. It's parody. It's satire. It's bitter. It's angsty. Your mother's a *****. You like to jack off dogs. That's right, you heard me. You like to grab that dog by the bone and rub it like a ski pole. Your dad? Gay. Your priest? Straight. **** off and let me post. It's not true, it's all in good fun. Now go away.
To make a long story short, I don't take any responsibility for anything I post here. It's not news, it's not truth, it's not serious. It's parody. It's satire. It's bitter. It's angsty. Your mother's a *****. You like to jack off dogs. That's right, you heard me. You like to grab that dog by the bone and rub it like a ski pole. Your dad? Gay. Your priest? Straight. **** off and let me post. It's not true, it's all in good fun. Now go away.
DsComputer wrote:
I've had it done to me. If there is no real threat of death, it's not very effective. I can only imagine how it would feel mentally if you were in a small room full of people screaming at you angrily.
It simulates the experience of drowning. Drowning hurts.
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Varrus' turn, to try it on himself & get back to us. Or better yet, get someone to do it to him.
Edited, May 3rd 2009 6:01am by Omegavegeta
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The water fills the hole in the saran wrap so that there is either water or vaccum in your mouth. The water pours into your sinuses and throat. You struggle to expel water periodically by building enough pressure in your lungs. With the saran wrap though each time I expelled water, I was able to draw in less air. Finally the lungs can no longer expel water and you begin to draw it up into your respiratory tract.
It seems that there is a point that is hardwired in us. When we draw water into our respiratory tract to this point we are no longer in control. All hell breaks loose. Instinct tells us we are dying.
I have never been more panicked in my whole life. Once your lungs are empty and collapsed and they start to draw fluid it is simply all over. You know you are dead and it's too late. Involuntary and total panic.
There is absolutely nothing you can do about it. It would be like telling you not to blink while I stuck a hot needle in your eye.
At the time my lungs emptied and I began to draw water, I would have sold my children to escape. There was no choice, or chance, and willpower was not involved.
I never felt anything like it, and this was self-inflicted with a watering can, where I was in total control and never in any danger.
And I understood.
Waterboarding gets you to the point where you draw water up your respiratory tract triggering the drowning reflex. Once that happens, it's all over. No question.
Some may go easy without a rag, some may need a rag, some may need saran wrap.
Once you are there it's all over.
I didn't allow anybody else to try it on me. Inconceivable. I know I only got the barest taste of what it's about since I was in control, and not restrained and controlling the flow of water.
But there's no chance. No chance at all.
So, is it torture?
I'll put it this way. If I had the choice of being waterboarded by a third party or having my fingers smashed one at a time by a sledgehammer, I'd take the fingers, no question.
It's horrible, terrible, inhuman torture. I can hardly imagine worse. I'd prefer permanent damage and disability to experiencing it again. I'd give up anything, say anything, do anything.
The Spanish Inquisition knew this. It was one of their favorite methods.
It's torture. No question. Terrible terrible torture. To experience it and understand it and then do it to another human being is to leave the realm of sanity and humanity forever. No question in my mind.
It seems that there is a point that is hardwired in us. When we draw water into our respiratory tract to this point we are no longer in control. All hell breaks loose. Instinct tells us we are dying.
I have never been more panicked in my whole life. Once your lungs are empty and collapsed and they start to draw fluid it is simply all over. You know you are dead and it's too late. Involuntary and total panic.
There is absolutely nothing you can do about it. It would be like telling you not to blink while I stuck a hot needle in your eye.
At the time my lungs emptied and I began to draw water, I would have sold my children to escape. There was no choice, or chance, and willpower was not involved.
I never felt anything like it, and this was self-inflicted with a watering can, where I was in total control and never in any danger.
And I understood.
Waterboarding gets you to the point where you draw water up your respiratory tract triggering the drowning reflex. Once that happens, it's all over. No question.
Some may go easy without a rag, some may need a rag, some may need saran wrap.
Once you are there it's all over.
I didn't allow anybody else to try it on me. Inconceivable. I know I only got the barest taste of what it's about since I was in control, and not restrained and controlling the flow of water.
But there's no chance. No chance at all.
So, is it torture?
I'll put it this way. If I had the choice of being waterboarded by a third party or having my fingers smashed one at a time by a sledgehammer, I'd take the fingers, no question.
It's horrible, terrible, inhuman torture. I can hardly imagine worse. I'd prefer permanent damage and disability to experiencing it again. I'd give up anything, say anything, do anything.
The Spanish Inquisition knew this. It was one of their favorite methods.
It's torture. No question. Terrible terrible torture. To experience it and understand it and then do it to another human being is to leave the realm of sanity and humanity forever. No question in my mind.
Varrus' turn, to try it on himself & get back to us. Or better yet, get someone to do it to him.
Edited, May 3rd 2009 6:01am by Omegavegeta
"The Rich are there to take all of the money & pay none of the taxes, the middle class is there to do all the work and pay all the taxes, and the poor are there to scare the crap out of the middle class." -George Carlin
anyone who says "torture" doesn't work is lying. Cut someones finger off and watch how quickly they tell you what you need to know. Tell them if you have to come back it's going to be their balls next.
It's been tried and true for 1000 years and will continue to be so regardless of our high minded thoughts on the matter.
It's been tried and true for 1000 years and will continue to be so regardless of our high minded thoughts on the matter.
hangtennow wrote:
anyone who says "torture" doesn't work is lying. Cut someones finger off and watch how quickly they tell you what you need to know. Tell them if you have to come back it's going to be their balls next.
It's been tried and true for 1000 years and will continue to be so regardless of our high minded thoughts on the matter.
It's been tried and true for 1000 years and will continue to be so regardless of our high minded thoughts on the matter.
No, they'll tell you what they think you want to hear, which may or may not be the truth.
Turin wrote:
Seriously, what the f*ck nature?
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anyone who says "torture" doesn't work is lying. Cut someones finger off and watch how quickly they tell you what you need to know.
Really I'd be much more disposed to giving you plenty of information, with just enough details changed to completely throw you in the most time wasting and fruitless direction possible. I get plausible deniability, you get a human rights violation, and if I'm lucky, I'll eventually hear how befuddled and inept special agents totally failed to protect their country from my friends who remained uncaptured. Really that deniability is all I'd be interested in getting, because that is my best chance at preventing future occasions of torture. You're not going to know until it's far, far too late.
The only thing better than leaving your enemies with no information is leaving them with false information, and someone being tortured has every reason in the world to try to spite you, so long as they can throw in enough juice to make the pain stop. Statistics may or may not support that; it's merely intuition.
Reminds me of pan's labyrinth. I always liked that movie. The occasion I'm talking about actually is an example working totally against me, but the reason I like it is because of the eventual karmic retribution.
I rarely respond to virus, but geez. You claim to be a good Christian boy. I'm sorry, but I seem to remember Christ teaching us about love, forgiveness and tolerance. I guess you forgot those lessons.
You are a miserable Christian, if you are for torture. End of story.
You are a miserable Christian, if you are for torture. End of story.
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Unless you thought the person was going to come back and cut off your balls.
Because someone who has shown themselves willing to participate in psychotic and sadistic behavior that counts on being an unstable and sick **** sure comes across as trustworthy when he says, "Now now, if you want me to remove the cactus from your urethra, just tell me what I need to know. We won't hurt you anymore, scouts honor."
Who knows, maybe terrorists are more gullible than I am. Considering how ridiculously gullible I am though, that doesn't seem possible.
Technogeek, Mercenary Major wrote:
I rarely respond to virus, but geez. You claim to be a good Christian boy. I'm sorry, but I seem to remember Christ teaching us about love, forgiveness and tolerance. I guess you forgot those lessons.
You are a miserable Christian, if you are for torture. End of story.
You are a miserable Christian, if you are for torture. End of story.
He's not a 'real' Christian. Real christians are at least willing to attempt to define what it is that they believe in. Varrus has been consistently unable to provide any sort of definition as to what it is he believes other than the old 'it says so in the bible'.
I think he calls himself a Christian because churches are good places to find women who are gullible and easily led.
Edited, May 4th 2009 10:59pm by paulsol
"If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're gonna get selfish, ignorant leaders". Carlin.
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He's not a 'real' Christian. Real christians are at least willing to attempt to define what it is that they believe in. Varrus has been consistently unable to provide any sort of definition as to what it is he believes other than the old 'it says so in the bible'.
You don't have the authority to make this judgment.
Anyone that self-identifies as a christian, and whose belief system at least embraces some loose kind of tie to the life of christ can be called a christian.
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