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Wonder if those muzzies who like to cut the heads off their prisoners would be better disposed towards prisoners now that they know we won't be waterboarding anymore?

Do you actually think before you say some of the stupid sh*t spewing from your comp?

But what does he care about national defense, it's not like the terrorists are going to attack when if they simply sit back they can wait until he's weakened the country to the point of being susceptible to another 911 in the first term of the next GOP president and all you whacked out libs can blame it on him; EXACTLY LIKE CLINTON DID!

bsphil,



And Obama has now made our country a weaker place for it.

kael,

Apparently you're not familiar with the term "double standard".

You realize waterboarding saved a major US building in Ca right?

I, personally, have never heard this. Do you have something to back it up?

I don't think exposing american citizens to terrorists attacks because you're worried about upsetting terrorists is the way to go.

Oh Ash, sometimes I can tolerate you. <3

What can I say, I'm feeling all gregarious today.

You realize waterboarding saved a major US building in Ca right?

Officials in the Bush Administration maintain that the intelligence wrung from terror detainee Abu Zubaydah (whom the CIA waterboarded "at least" 83 times, according to an an agency document released by the Obama Administration last week) led to the capture of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed — the self-proclaimed architect of the 9/11 attacks. His capture, in turn, helped prevent future terror strikes, they maintain; Mohammed himself, the memos revealed, was waterboarded a startling 183 times in March 2003 (a May 2005 memo from a CIA lawyer said waterboarding could be used on a detainee up to 12 times daily for as long as 40 seconds per event). Then-CIA director George Tenet, in his 2007 memoir, says that tough interrogation of al-Qaeda members — and documents found on them, he is careful to add — thwarted more than 20 plots "against U.S. infrastructure targets, including communications nodes, nuclear power plants, dams, bridges, and tunnels." A "future airborne attack on America's West Coast" was likely foiled only because the CIA didn't have "to treat KSM like a white collar criminal."

Critics of such claims argue that what was thwarted were merely al-Qaeda fantasies. "Torture gets people to talk — no question," says a former senior U.S. national security official involved in such matters. "They talk and talk and talk, until you stop hurting them. But in every instance, bar none, you later discover that they've just been lying or exaggerating, or telling you what they think you want to hear." In fact, a 1963 CIA interrogation manual warned that those resisting questioning "are likely to become intractable if made to endure pain" or generate "false, concocted as a means of escaping from distress."

Complicating matters is that even if such foiled plots were more than fantasies it's as hard to prove a negative after September 11 as it was before. Just because there were no attacks after 9/11 doesn't necessarily mean that the interrogations deserve the credit. And of course the intelligence community's failure to discover that Saddam Hussein lacked any weapons of mass destruction before the Bush Administration invaded Iraq in 2003 makes their purported knowledge about thwarting attacks suspect to many observers.

He used a forfex to exsanguinate the malefactor, but the sangfroid was thixotropic

You didn't answer the question.