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#27 Apr 28 2009 at 7:25 PM Rating: Good
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hangtennow wrote:

The pendulum swings both ways. Remember the revolution in the mid-90's? It'll come back around.

But I doubt it will swing back as soon as 2010.
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Mark my words that senate seat will go back to the GOP in 2010.

The pendulum swings both ways. Remember the revolution in the mid-90's? It'll come back around.
I was listening to Sean Hannity this evening on my way home from class and he had John Zogby and Scott Rasmussen on. It was a pretty funny conversation as both pollsters kept saying "The GOP is kinda fucked for the time being" and Hannity kept trying to find a way to spin it into something else. Both agreed wholeheartedly that Pennsylvania was now a safe Democratic seat and both resisted the notion that the GOP takeover from 1994 would repeat itself. As Rasmussen pointed out, that GOP revolution came after 40 years of Democratic control in Congress when people were finally convinced that the GOP couldn't be any worse. In a decade, the GOP managed to convince the voters that they can't be any better either.

Hannity eventually just pouted and accused both of being "pessimistic"
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#30 Apr 28 2009 at 11:06 PM Rating: Default
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I'm trying to figure out exactly what phrase in the first five posts made me think "I'm on a buoy mother fUckers!"... It's not going to well.


Ahah.. I found out why.. it was the title!
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#31 Apr 29 2009 at 2:42 AM Rating: Excellent
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huh, well that's good.


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In it, Mr. Specter makes the case that “since September 11, the United States has witnessed one of the greatest expansions of executive authority in its history, at the expense of the constitutionally mandated separation of powers.”

He then lays out an ambitious effort to roll back those powers, in words that indeed seem more natural coming from a senator of the majority party, rather than one in the minority:

I intend to take several concrete steps, which I hope the new president will support.

First, I intend to introduce legislation that will mandate Supreme Court review of lower court decisions in suits brought by the A.C.L.U. and others that challenge the constitutionality of the warrantless wiretapping program authorized by President Bush after September 11. While the Supreme Court generally exercises discretion on whether it will review a case, there are precedents for Congress to direct Supreme Court review on constitutional issues — including the statutes forbidding flag burning and requiring Congress to abide by federal employment laws — and I will follow those.

Second, I will reintroduce legislation to keep the courts open to suits filed against several major telephone companies that allegedly facilitated the Bush administration’s warrantless wiretapping program. Although Congress granted immunity to the telephone companies in July 2008, this issue may yet be successfully revisited since the courts have not yet ruled on the legality of the immunity provision. My legislation would substitute the government as defendant in place of the telephone companies. This would allow the cases to go forward, with the government footing the bill for any damages awarded.

Further, I will reintroduce my legislation from 2006 and 2007 (the “Presidential Signing Statements Act”) to prohibit courts from relying on, or deferring to, presidential signing statements when determining the meaning of any Act of Congress. These statements, sometimes issued when the president signs a bill into law, have too often been used to undermine congressional intent. Earlier versions of my legislation went nowhere because of the obvious impossibility of obtaining two-thirds majorities in each house to override an expected veto by President Bush. Nevertheless, in the new Congress, my legislation has a better chance of mustering a majority vote and being signed into law by President Obama.



There's more, but that's the general idea.

I'm all for getting rid of warrant-less wiretapping.

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#32 Apr 29 2009 at 4:47 AM Rating: Decent
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You may be right; unfortunately for hard working tax paying american citizens. It took Reagan a decade to clean up Carters mess. And i'm still pissed about the panama canal.



From what I can tell, Carter wasn't all that bad a president. Also, I hope you're joking about the Panama Canal.
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#35 Apr 29 2009 at 5:39 AM Rating: Good
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hangtennow wrote:
Joph,

You may be right. I just find it difficult to believe an entire state won't care that their elected senator just bailed on them because he was facing a tough re-election.
You give people too much credit.

Wow, can't believe I said that to you of all people.
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hangtennow wrote:
You may be right. I just find it difficult to believe an entire state won't care that their elected senator just bailed on them because he was facing a tough re-election.
Specter actually rates well among independents and Democrats in the state. And those voters make up the majority of the voters in Pennsylvania. Specter, to my understanding, is well liked in Penn, just not by the increasingly marginalized Republican "base".

I put "base" in quotes because as more and more moderates switch to Independent identification the remaining Republicans are, on average, further and further from the center.
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#37 Apr 29 2009 at 5:51 AM Rating: Good
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hangtennow wrote:
Joph,

You may be right. I just find it difficult to believe an entire state won't care that their elected senator just bailed on them because he was facing a tough re-election.
What are you talking about? He hasn't stepped down from office.

A Senator doesn't stay in office for 30 years by being a party loyalist. They get re-elected over and over again because they are responsive to their constituents.

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#38 Apr 29 2009 at 5:56 AM Rating: Good
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I honestly recall watching the Senate on C-Span once or twice last year, listening to a few things Specter said, and then being surprised when his name popped up with an "R." That sounds terribly convenient, but it's true.
#39REDACTED, Posted: Apr 29 2009 at 6:06 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Elinda,
#40 Apr 29 2009 at 6:08 AM Rating: Excellent
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hangtennow wrote:
Elinda,

He bailed on his constituents for the convience of political expediency. Spector was never a "republican" he simply chose the party that he believed gave him the best chance to stay in office. He represents the worst in american politics.
Considering that he bailed on the Democrats in the early 60s, and now the Republicans in today's polarized climate, I'd say he just likes the party that can actually stay toward the center. Civil Rights-Era Liberals were pretty radical. Current Right-Wingers are pretty radical. He's on a steady boundary, but the party's fences keep being rebuilt on either side of him.
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hangtennow wrote:
Elinda,

He bailed on his constituents for the convience of political expediency. Spector was never a "republican" he simply chose the party that he believed gave him the best chance to stay in office. He represents the worst in american politics.
Good. All the more power to him for never being a Republican. You really need a lesson in civics young men. We are ALL Americans before we are Republicans or Democrats. A Senator who's been re-elected to office like 5 times in a row is obviously doing something right for the folks he represents.

You know Varrus, most people spend there lives here in the US just being American. Not placing devisive political titles on every person, every idea, rule/reg/policy, they encounter. There are a vocal few however, are continually attempting to use THEIR idea of politics and values to divide this country. I consider them all sick mofos (and yes, I include you in that group).
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#43 Apr 29 2009 at 7:44 AM Rating: Excellent
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hangtennow wrote:
He bailed on his constituents for the convience of political expediency.
Specter enjoys wide support in Pennsylvania. He didn't "bail" on anyone.
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Spector was never a "republican" he simply chose the party that he believed gave him the best chance to stay in office.
His voting record is more Republican than Democrat. In reality, he's a centrist and has been for a long while. Just like Collins or, from the other side, Nelson. I'd be more concerned about a party atmosphere that has moved far enough over that centrists are no longer welcome. Even the term "RINO" gives the impression that if you're not a straight party-line man, you're not welcome in the party. Collins made the same point (and Graham, less forcefully) that the party is increasingly hostile to anyone not on the far right and it was leading to a smaller and smaller party. We have Blue Dog Democrats but we encouraged and courted them because we have leadership who know that's how you win elections.

Last night, Scott Rassmussen told Hannity that the GOP was increasingly becoming a regional party because they couldn't field moderate/centrist candidates in purple states. Personally, I'm fine with the GOP ignoring this for as long as possible and bragging about how they got rid of the RINOs. Run out McCain and Snowe and Collins. Brag about how they never belonged. Throw eggs at anyone who doesn't score a 95% or higher from the conservative PACs -- therein lies the path to victory, I assure you.
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#44 Apr 29 2009 at 7:44 AM Rating: Good
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I wonder what will happen with the republican Senators from Maine, two of the very few moderates left.

I think the GOP needs to contain their crazies. Being so hard right is gonna drive the part to further irrelevance.
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#45 Apr 29 2009 at 7:45 AM Rating: Excellent
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I chose not to have children, God knows I've had plenty of oppurtunities, and because I made this choice and have achieved a level of financial security you think I should be responsible for people who pop one child after another and expect the govn to pay for them.

Oh and I believe abortion is murder because life begins at conception despite what the murderous pro-death movement would have you believe.


I find it adorable how you rail and scream against welfare to help the children that you want born because abortion is murder.

Apparently "pro-life" means only until after the kid is out of the womb. After that, they're on their own.
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I wonder what will happen with the republican Senators from Maine, two of the very few moderates left.
I know both are being courted by the Dems but that's been the case for ages.

I once read a full account of the courting of Jeffords to switch parties and found it very interesting. I've caughts bits and pieces of the Specter story but I'm looking forward to one day reading the nuts & bolts of it. From what I've read, Biden played a big role in it and one of the carrots was Specter transfering his seniority to the Democrats for committee assignments, etc.

Edited, Apr 29th 2009 11:05am by Jophiel
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Senator Snowe has an Op-Ed in the NYT today saying that "We didn't have to lose Specter" and noting the increasing hostility in her party which is driving out moderates.
Snowe wrote:
It is true that being a Republican moderate sometimes feels like being a cast member of “Survivor” — you are presented with multiple challenges, and you often get the distinct feeling that you’re no longer welcome in the tribe. But it is truly a dangerous signal that a Republican senator of nearly three decades no longer felt able to remain in the party.

Senator Specter indicated that his decision was based on the political situation in Pennsylvania, where he faced a tough primary battle. In my view, the political environment that has made it inhospitable for a moderate Republican in Pennsylvania is a microcosm of a deeper, more pervasive problem that places our party in jeopardy nationwide.

I have said that, without question, we cannot prevail as a party without conservatives. But it is equally certain we cannot prevail in the future without moderates.
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There is no plausible scenario under which Republicans can grow into a majority while shrinking our ideological confines and continuing to retract into a regional party. Ideological purity is not the ticket back to the promised land of governing majorities — indeed, it was when we began to emphasize social issues to the detriment of some of our basic tenets as a party that we encountered an electoral backlash.


Edited, Apr 29th 2009 11:30am by Jophiel
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#48 Apr 29 2009 at 8:48 AM Rating: Excellent
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hangtennow wrote:

I chose not to have children, God knows I've had plenty of oppurtunities, and because I made this choice and have achieved a level of financial security you think I should be responsible for people who pop one child after another and expect the govn to pay for them.

Oh and I believe abortion is murder because life begins at conception despite what the murderous pro-death movement would have you believe.



I find it adorable how you rail and scream against welfare to help the children that you want born because abortion is murder.

Apparently "pro-life" means only until after the kid is out of the womb. After that, they're on their own.


Based on these statements, his known disapproval of pornography, his hatred of homosexuals, and his general attitude toward women's rights, I've concluded that Varrus is scared of his own sexuality. He doesn't like the idea of other people having sex for any reason at all, be it hetero or ****, or enjoying themselves, or "rewarding" women for having children for any reason because it means they've had sex.

He wraps it up in his torturous, unsupported stances such as the above, while spouting right wing propoganda lines and holding them up as his shelter against the very idea of sexual enjoyment.

I'm really, really glad I don't have that problem. Even my super strict Catholic upbringing taught me that sex within wedlock was "a gift from God" and ought to be enjoyed for its own sake.
#49 Apr 29 2009 at 9:20 AM Rating: Excellent
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Based on these statements, his known disapproval of pornography, his hatred of homosexuals, and his general attitude toward women's rights, I've concluded that Varrus is scared of his own sexuality. He doesn't like the idea of other people having sex for any reason at all, be it hetero or ****, or enjoying themselves, or "rewarding" women for having children for any reason because it means they've had sex.

He wraps it up in his torturous, unsupported stances such as the above, while spouting right wing propoganda lines and holding them up as his shelter against the very idea of sexual enjoyment.

I'm really, really glad I don't have that problem. Even my super strict Catholic upbringing taught me that sex within wedlock was "a gift from God" and ought to be enjoyed for its own sake.


Interesting theory. I just concluded that he was an moran.
#50 Apr 29 2009 at 9:36 AM Rating: Decent
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Senator Snowe has an Op-Ed in the NYT today saying that "We didn't have to lose Specter" and noting the increasing hostility in her party which is driving out moderates.
Snowe wrote:
It is true that being a Republican moderate sometimes feels like being a cast member of “Survivor” — you are presented with multiple challenges, and you often get the distinct feeling that you’re no longer welcome in the tribe. But it is truly a dangerous signal that a Republican senator of nearly three decades no longer felt able to remain in the party.

Senator Specter indicated that his decision was based on the political situation in Pennsylvania, where he faced a tough primary battle. In my view, the political environment that has made it inhospitable for a moderate Republican in Pennsylvania is a microcosm of a deeper, more pervasive problem that places our party in jeopardy nationwide.

I have said that, without question, we cannot prevail as a party without conservatives. But it is equally certain we cannot prevail in the future without moderates.
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There is no plausible scenario under which Republicans can grow into a majority while shrinking our ideological confines and continuing to retract into a regional party. Ideological purity is not the ticket back to the promised land of governing majorities — indeed, it was when we began to emphasize social issues to the detriment of some of our basic tenets as a party that we encountered an electoral backlash.

That's pretty interesting. Snowe would not likely ever have to switch parties to secure a nomination.

The Republicans are in trouble, though. The trouble seems to be caused by, or at least the fix is inhibited by the conservative (?radical?) right. If they don't pull it together by the next election I could see a split in the party leading to the creation of a ~New~ Republican party.





Edited, Apr 29th 2009 7:36pm by Elinda
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