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#27 Apr 27 2009 at 10:27 AM Rating: Decent
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That there is just plain crazy talk.
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#28 Apr 27 2009 at 10:43 AM Rating: Excellent
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What's the mortality rate of this compared to common influenza?



Percentage wise it's pretty high - about 7% compared to less than one percent normally.

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One has to ask of the 100 or so that died, what were their co-morbidities? My guess is a significant proportion are likely to have been frail elderly, or sufferers from a pre-existing condition that weakened their ability.


Maybe, but from what I'm reading it's mainly hitting young to middle aged adults, and hitting them harder than expected. That's why it's been cited as a cause for alarm (and also explains why they're getting it, maybe, as those groups typically don't go in for flu shots).

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#29 Apr 27 2009 at 11:57 AM Rating: Decent
Swine flu is a matter of national security, how?
#30 Apr 27 2009 at 12:06 PM Rating: Good
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Swine flu is a matter of national security, how?
Them dirty Mexicans is crossin our borders, infectin our youth.
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The Great BrownDuck wrote:
Swine flu is a matter of national security, how?
FEMA falls under the DHS. I imagine a (potential) pandemic would fall under FEMA's purview. CDC provides the science but FEMA provides the manpower.
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Nobby wrote:
One has to ask of the 100 or so that died, what were their co-morbidities? My guess is a significant proportion are likely to have been frail elderly, or sufferers from a pre-existing condition that weakened their ability.


Actually a large number of the deaths in Mexico were otherwise healthy 25 to 50 year olds. The flu can cause more problem in healthy young people because the immune system can over react and attack the lungs, causing respiratory illness and death.
#33 Apr 27 2009 at 12:35 PM Rating: Decent
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Swine flu is a matter of national security, how?
FEMA falls under the DHS. I imagine a (potential) pandemic would fall under FEMA's purview. CDC provides the science but FEMA provides the manpower.


FEMA is under DHS? Did not know that. Doesn't make much sense to me.
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I heard someone coughing in Madagascar

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#35 Apr 27 2009 at 5:08 PM Rating: Decent
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The Great BrownDuck wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
The Great BrownDuck wrote:
Swine flu is a matter of national security, how?
FEMA falls under the DHS. I imagine a (potential) pandemic would fall under FEMA's purview. CDC provides the science but FEMA provides the manpower.


FEMA is under DHS? Did not know that. Doesn't make much sense to me.

no, FEMA is a benefit program. My husband (who worked for DHS ICE) advised the reason that DHS became involved is due to border protection- checking for fruits, veggies, plants and diseases.

"Since the swine flu originated outside of the United States. Entry into the US is governed by Customs and Border Patrol of DHS."

A resource DHS will utilize is Health and Human services, Poison Control - accounted by FEMA.

I was debating this with him because I couldn't understand why this wasn't primarily CDC. (by debate I mean that I ended up getting lectured on how DHS works....)
#36 Apr 27 2009 at 5:27 PM Rating: Good
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mattguard wrote:
Actually a large number of the deaths in Mexico were otherwise healthy 25 to 50 year olds. The flu can cause more problem in healthy young people because the immune system can over react and attack the lungs, causing respiratory illness and death.


I think SARS has a mortality rate of less than 1% with people 24 and under. 25-44 increased it to 6%, and 15% 45-65. (Sorry, numbers are from 2003). 25-50 year olds seem to increase flu related issues. So those results wouldn't be that unusual.

This will probably be just like SARS, but instead of being focused in Asia with the western world on the fringes, freaking out, it will be here in the Western world. Probably means more cases for us, but similar overall results.
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FEMA is under DHS? Did not know that. Doesn't make much sense to me.

no, FEMA is a benefit program. My husband (who worked for DHS ICE) advised the reason that DHS became involved is due to border protection- checking for fruits, veggies, plants and diseases.
Are you saying that FEMA isn't under DHS or that DHS is involved for some other non-FEMA reason?

The first is wrong; FEMA is indeed under the umbrella of DHS. The second might be correct -- I was just guessing why DHS would be involved.
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#38 Apr 28 2009 at 6:43 AM Rating: Decent
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niobia wrote:
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FEMA is under DHS? Did not know that. Doesn't make much sense to me.

no, FEMA is a benefit program. My husband (who worked for DHS ICE) advised the reason that DHS became involved is due to border protection- checking for fruits, veggies, plants and diseases.
Are you saying that FEMA isn't under DHS or that DHS is involved for some other non-FEMA reason?

The first is wrong; FEMA is indeed under the umbrella of DHS. The second might be correct -- I was just guessing why DHS would be involved.


No. My husband stated that they are a benefit program (and then elaborated about the various umbrellas: DOS, DOJ, DHS and one other that I have forgotten). My question to him was why DHS was involved because it didn't make any sense to me why they would become involved with something the CDC should handle unless it involved bioterrorism.

As he explained it DHS isn't in it for a FEMA reason but specifically border crossing since it was stated somewhere that the cases originated from people who traveled to Mexico. (he also made an offhand comment about how timely this event happened with all the other problems that were on the forefront of our Nations concern thus taking the heat off of a new sitting President. Smiley: tinfoilhat)

This whole situation is quite strange... (let me know if you want me to ask him any other questions. He worked contraband for ICE. He should be able to access my account while I take Suki to her Infant Aquatics class...)

#39 Apr 28 2009 at 6:59 AM Rating: Decent
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As he explained it DHS isn't in it for a FEMA reason but specifically border crossing since it was stated somewhere that the cases originated from people who traveled to Mexico.
This was kinda how I had understood it as well. Previous pandemics have been handled, internally, by CDC. I don't see the involvement of DHS to be of any special note, being that they house immigration. I just thought it odd that they were put 'in charge' - at least according to what I had heard. Maybe it has to do with DHHS not currently having a boss.
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(he also made an offhand comment about how timely this event happened with all the other problems that were on the forefront of our Nations concern thus taking the heat off of a new sitting President. Smiley: tinfoilhat)
I would think this would only turn up the heat on the hot seat.
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#40 Apr 28 2009 at 7:02 AM Rating: Excellent
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Yeah, really the last thing we need is an epidemic just as the economy is starting to show modest signs of life again.

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#41 Apr 28 2009 at 7:57 AM Rating: Good
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Never mind the risk of death; pity me sitting through briefing after briefing after briefing after briefing after briefing after briefing after briefing after briefing Smiley: glare

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#42 Apr 28 2009 at 8:03 AM Rating: Excellent
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Nobby wrote:
Never mind the risk of death; pity me sitting through briefing after briefing after briefing after briefing after briefing after briefing after briefing after briefing Smiley: glare

Because it's all about me


How many different things are there to say about this?

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Never mind the risk of death; pity me sitting through briefing after briefing after briefing after briefing after briefing after briefing after briefing after briefing Smiley: glare

Because it's all about me
Take solace in the knowledge that you'll be doing something ridiculously decadent after it's over, undoubtedly.
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Nobby wrote:
Never mind the risk of death; pity me sitting through briefing after briefing after briefing after briefing after briefing after briefing after briefing after briefing Smiley: glare

Because it's all about me
Take solace in the knowledge that you'll be doing something ridiculously decadent after it's over, undoubtedly.
Like what?
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#45 Apr 28 2009 at 8:32 AM Rating: Decent
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FEMA is part of DHS.

http://www.fema.gov/about/index.shtm

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On March 1, 2003, the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) became part of the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS). The primary mission of the Federal Emergency Management Agency is to reduce the loss of life and property and protect the Nation from all hazards, including natural disasters, acts of terrorism, and other man-made disasters, by leading and supporting the Nation in a risk-based, comprehensive emergency management system of preparedness, protection, response, recovery, and mitigation.
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FEMA is part of DHS.

http://www.fema.gov/about/index.shtm

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On March 1, 2003, the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) became part of the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS). The primary mission of the Federal Emergency Management Agency is to reduce the loss of life and property and protect the Nation from all hazards, including natural disasters, acts of terrorism, and other man-made disasters, by leading and supporting the Nation in a risk-based, comprehensive emergency management system of preparedness, protection, response, recovery, and mitigation.
Yes, but the question, that I had anyway, was why DHS has taken the lead with this flu epidemic. I didn't think it was because it's a FEMA role (and FEMA is part of DHS). That's all.

I think one of the big reasons for making DHS was so that the various security agencies could grab the expertise from FEMA in dealing with stuffs that involve tons of public peoples.

My buddy that works for FEMA is still jaded..and pissy.
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Elinda wrote:
Yes, but the question, that I had anyway, was why DHS has taken the lead with this flu epidemic. I didn't think it was because it's a FEMA role (and FEMA is part of DHS). That's all.

I think one of the big reasons for making DHS was so that the various security agencies could grab the expertise from FEMA in dealing with stuffs that involve tons of public peoples.


IMHO, DHS has lead because there is a threat to the United States that requires more than dropping bombs or shooting people. It is multi-faceted. FEMA-type preparation is one part of it ... as are controls at the border to try to keep sick people out.
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Samira wrote:
How many different things are there to say about this?
Not a huge range, but our organisation in it's gbajiesque belief that rephrasing the same thing repeatedly will be effective.

In fairness, the briefings are directed at the various professional groups, confirming that their plans are ready to kick in if needed.

If things do get crappy, the arrangements are pretty sophisticated over here - standing down elective surgery to free up acute beds, sharing physicians between institutions, establishing contained treatment ares, mobilising Tamiflu dispensaries for front-line staff so we don't have to cope with a shortage of medics and nurses, distributing Tamiflu to acute care centres, standing up C-and-C centres to co-ordinate people, beds and kit across each region. . . .

Busy busy busy.
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(he also made an offhand comment about how timely this event happened with all the other problems that were on the forefront of our Nations concern thus taking the heat off of a new sitting President. Smiley: tinfoilhat)
Is he a big fan of Michelle Bachmann (R-Batshit Insane)?
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In before ToUtem points out that this is a wake up call to the White Man to shun the eating of unclean porcine critters.

Insh'allah, if it becomes pandemic, the Jews, Muzzies and Vegans will be safe. Think on it pilgrims. Think on it.


Not according to Stephen Quayle.

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Appearing in the latter half of the show, Alex Jones and Stephen Quayle both agreed the new swine virus was not natural. It's a "genetically altered bioweapon," possibly being "beta-tested in the field" to target specific races, Quayle contended. Jones cited experts in the field, pointing toward the virus being designed, and he noted how unusual it is for a flu virus to start out of season, and not come from the East.

Quayle suggested the virus may be part of a global plan to reduce the population, and that the mysterious deaths of microbiologists in recent years could be connected to this outbreak-- scientists who could help stop a pandemic were taken out. Jones posited the idea that flu fears could be deliberate hype by the government in order to distract the public from other issues.


You just knew the tinfoil hat types had to chime in. I'm sure Varrus thinks it's a swell idea.

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Coast to Coast AM wrote:
Appearing in the latter half of the show, Alex Jones and Stephen Quayle both agreed the new swine virus was not natural. It's a "genetically altered bioweapon," possibly being "beta-tested in the field" to target specific races, Quayle contended. Jones cited experts in the field, pointing toward the virus being designed, and he noted how unusual it is for a flu virus to start out of season, and not come from the East.

Quayle suggested the virus may be part of a global plan to reduce the population, and that the mysterious deaths of microbiologists in recent years could be connected to this outbreak-- scientists who could help stop a pandemic were taken out. Jones posited the idea that flu fears could be deliberate hype by the government in order to distract the public from other issues.


You just knew the tinfoil hat types had to chime in. I'm sure Varrus thinks it's a swell idea.



I think John Stewart covered that pretty well last night. Anyone that thinks it's a bio-weapon is a complete idiot.

But hey, sensationalism sells. About as good as half naked underaged girls do for the entertainment world.
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