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#177REDACTED, Posted: May 04 2009 at 7:45 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Ambrya,
#178 May 04 2009 at 8:00 AM Rating: Good
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Near as I can tell i'm the only one on this thread that's actually posted facts to support his position.


I'm really bored, so here's a nice little compendium of links in this thread to peruse at your leisure.

Ambrya:
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2372/is_4_35/ai_53390355/pg_5/?tag=content;col1


Aripyanfar:

http://www.avert.org/ausstatg.htm

http://www.avert.org/aafrica.htm


Codyy:

http://www.fda.gov/WOMENS/getthefacts/hpv.html

http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Risk/HPV

http://www.cancer.org/docroot/CRI/content/CRI_2_4_1X_What_are_the_key_statistics_for_Anal_Cancer_47.asp

http://www.cdc.gov/std/stats07/msm.htm


Nexa:

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/04/two-national-polls-for-first-time-show.html


Behold! All the facts people have posted (in links) to support their positions. Now, let's look at what YOU'VE posted, shall we?

http://www.ncfamily.org/FNC/0707S3.html


...An impressive list of citations that you've posted, Varrus.

#179 May 04 2009 at 8:11 AM Rating: Good
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Well that and the Bible says so. If you're a christian, or muslim for that matter, your faith tells you that homosexuality is an abomination.

There are bigger forces at work here than what little old me thinks.


See? It's easy to admit what you really think.

Because I believe that humans are gods, however, I'm perfectly happy with believing that what little old me thinks is important.

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This is never an acceptable argument.


It is if you're christian, and not trying to prove providence. You can't ever use the bible to prove providence.


Sentences are supposed to have subjects pensive

Edited, May 4th 2009 12:16pm by Pensive
#180REDACTED, Posted: May 04 2009 at 8:12 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Loonie,
#181 May 04 2009 at 8:13 AM Rating: Excellent
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Loonie,

Are you even aware that not one of those links contradicts anything i've said?



Loonie would be aware of that if he hadn't read the links like yourself.
#182 May 04 2009 at 8:15 AM Rating: Decent
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Oh, varrus

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Near as I can tell i'm the only one on this thread that's actually posted facts to support his position.


You can't use facts to support an ethical matter. Is/ought distinction and all that.
#183 May 04 2009 at 8:51 AM Rating: Good
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hangtennow wrote:
Ambrya,

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why should we care enough to bother indulging


You actually think that's what you're doing?


Smiley: lol

That is PRECISELY what people are doing. Are you honestly so self-deluded that you believe anyone takes you or your opinions seriously?

Reality check, Virus. Arguing with you on these boards is no different than patting a toddler on the head and smiling whenever he babbles nonsense syllables.

Edit: actually, that's a bad analogy. Arguing with you is more like applauding politely at an elementary-school band concert. I mean, sure, the cacophony they're making is so god-awful it could possibly rupture your eardrums, but golly, it sure is cute to see them try.

Edited, May 4th 2009 10:13am by Ambrya
#184 May 04 2009 at 8:59 AM Rating: Excellent
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virus wrote:
Am I supposed to differentiate between all you nut jobs now?



virus wrote:
Ambrya,

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why should we care enough to bother indulging


You actually think that's what you're doing? Near as I can tell i'm the only one on this thread that's actually posted facts to support his position. All you people have done is attack me and call me names. But that's what you're all about.


Someone call a wahmbulance. I think he's herniated his hypocrisy.

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#185 May 04 2009 at 9:21 AM Rating: Excellent
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hangtennow wrote:
Near as I can tell i'm the only one on this thread that's actually posted facts to support his position.


Smiley: laughSmiley: lolSmiley: laughSmiley: lol

Oh...you were serious. My bad.
#186 May 04 2009 at 9:27 AM Rating: Good
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Ambrya,

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. You've posted ignorant supposition gleaned from a conservative family values site,


Did you even look at the link I posted? There's tons of information to support what i've said. Incidentally this is also, which I've said before, why anyone who's engaged in homosexual acts since 1977 can't donate blood.

All you've posted are unsupported opinions.



You have it all wrong the reason I'm so adamant about this is because I care. Ever watched a loved one make a bad decision and tried to help them understand why it was a bad decision? This is no different.

Hey thar, dipshit. I've looked at your website, I poked around, and I've checked their sources. Most of them are links to pages that aren't real. As far as I am concerned, the link, the one, biased, unsupported, link you've posted is nothing but a big drawn out compendium of fucktwittery. Way to go. I proved a few of the facts wrong, as did others in the thread. I'm sorry if you can't take the time to research the data and draw some reasonable conclusions, but there's no reason to blab on like an idiot about how nobody has presented any data, when they clearly have. (Thanks, Loonie, for providing that nice little cheat sheet for virus.)
#187 May 04 2009 at 9:36 AM Rating: Excellent
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The site varrus linked wrote:
Bug chasing. Another disturbing phenomenon among some MSM involves HIV-negative MSM who actively seek HIV infection by engaging in high-risk sexual activities with infected male partners. A 2003 Rolling Stone article brought national attention to “bug-chasing,” which the article described as “an intricate underground world that has sprouted, driven almost completely by the Internet, in which men who want to be infected with HIV get together with those willing to infect them.”[xvi] Carlos, a “bug chaser” who claimed to have had several hundred sexual partners and said he regularly had sex with three or four HIV-positive men a week, told Rolling Stone, “I know what the risks are…But I think it turns the other guy on to know that I’m negative and that they’re bringing me into the brotherhood. That gets me off, too.”
lolwut?

I also like the conclusion:

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Although homosexuality is presented to society as a healthy—and sometimes even superior—alternative to heterosexuality, the truth is that homosexual behavior represents a serious threat to individual and public health. Homosexuality, particularly among males, is associated with dangerous behaviors and increased rates of disease ranging from certain cancers to a long list of STDs, including HIV/AIDS. As recent studies show, many homosexuals continue to engage in high-risk behaviors that ignore the very real consequences to their health and the health of others. The public deserves honest information about the sexual realities of the homosexual lifestyle and the serious health risks that come with it.
So homosexuality is unhealthy because people that have other unhealthy habits often are homosexuals? That's like saying watching TV is unhealthy because sometimes people that watch TV also shoot heroine. Utterly unscientific tripe. It's all trumped up just to put a lot of sciency-looking words behind the bigotry.

Edited, May 4th 2009 12:42pm by AshOnMyTomatoes
#188 May 04 2009 at 9:40 AM Rating: Default
What's sad is watching supposed christians ignore the Bible in favor of a pop culture movement.


Some liberal said,

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Hey thar, dipsh*t


And this is a typical response for someone who can't back up anything they say with data.

Can homosexuals donate blood? There's a reason for this that goes beyond the apologists claims that it's an outdated policy.

Ironic that i'm the "bigot" but you people are the ones seething hatred and venom.

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MSM accounted for 71% of all HIV infections among male adults and adolescents in 2005


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MSM accounted for 71% of all HIV infections among male adults and adolescents in 2005


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MSM accounted for 71% of all HIV infections among male adults and adolescents in 2005


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MSM accounted for 71% of all HIV infections among male adults and adolescents in 2005


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MSM accounted for 71% of all HIV infections among male adults and adolescents in 2005




Get the picture?

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/msm/resources/factsheets/msm.htm


Feel free to continue spewing hatred; i'm responsible to my conscious and the holy trinity.




Edited, May 4th 2009 1:48pm by hangtennow
#189 May 04 2009 at 9:43 AM Rating: Good
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hangtennow wrote:
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you seem to imply that homosexual sex is deviant because it leads to increased health risks.


Well that and the Bible says so. If you're a christian, or muslim for that matter, your faith tells you that homosexuality is an abomination.

There are bigger forces at work here than what little old me thinks.

Don't you think that using the law to force people to follow God's rules diminishes God's very rules? You can't have morality if you don't have choice.

#190REDACTED, Posted: May 04 2009 at 9:47 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) ticksy,
#191 May 04 2009 at 9:53 AM Rating: Good
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hangtennow wrote:
How many times do I have to say homosexuals can act as they wish just don't force me to recognize that behaviour by validating it through the govn.

But by allowing them to act as they wish, you are validating it through the government. Sodomy laws have been repealed.

Also, I don't remember where in the bible it says that allowing other people the freedom to sin as they choose is a sin itself. Or where the bible says that the state allowing someone to sin is different than an individual allowing someone to sin.


I also don't know how something being legal "forces you to recognize it." You don't recognize that homosexuality exists?



Edited, May 4th 2009 12:57pm by trickybeck
#192 May 04 2009 at 9:56 AM Rating: Good
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hangtennow wrote:
What's sad is watching supposed christians ignore the Bible in favor of a pop culture movement.

Don't know much about ancient Greece, eh?

#193 May 04 2009 at 10:00 AM Rating: Good
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hangtennow wrote:
What's sad is watching supposed christians ignore the Bible in favor of a pop culture movement.

Don't know much about ancient Greece, eh?

Hah. Haha.

3/4 of Hell must be populated by pre-Judeo-Christian-God humanity.
#194 May 04 2009 at 10:01 AM Rating: Good
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Also, I don't remember where in the bible it says that allowing other people the freedom to sin as they choose is a sin itself. Or where the bible says that the state allowing someone to sin is different than an individual allowing someone to sin.


Sodom and gemorrah, Falwell, collective accountability, etc. etc.

Accuracy isn't the issue. The argument exists and can be at least loosely tied to biblical hermeneutics.

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How many times do I have to say homosexuals can act as they wish just don't force me to recognize that behaviour by validating it through the govn.


In tolerating it at all you've placed yourself on a spectrum of attitudes that can all be described as validating it. If it was really that damn evil, then we shouldn't let it be legal at all.

Edited, May 4th 2009 2:14pm by Pensive
#195 May 04 2009 at 10:02 AM Rating: Decent
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3/4 of Hell must be populated by pre-Judeo-Christian-God humanity.


Ever read the inferno?
#196 May 04 2009 at 10:05 AM Rating: Decent
hangtennow wrote:
How many times do I have to say homosexuals can act as they wish just don't force me to recognize that behaviour by validating it through the govn.


Till your blue in the face because it doesn't take away the fact that it's short sighted and narrow-minded.

Personally, I think gardeners should be shot on sight and I'm sick to death of the govn. allowing okra to be a lawfully farmed plant.
#197REDACTED, Posted: May 04 2009 at 10:13 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Tricksy,
#198 May 04 2009 at 10:13 AM Rating: Good
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Kaelesh wrote:
Personally, I think gardeners should be shot on sight and I'm sick to death of the govn. allowing okra to be a lawfully farmed plant.
Yeah that's a tack I didn't get around to. There are thousands of laws that varrus "recognizes through government validation" that the old testament says are sins. Varrus wouldn't want to outlaw cheeseburgers, would he?

#199 May 04 2009 at 10:15 AM Rating: Good
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hangtennow wrote:
Tricksy,

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Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither the immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God. (1 Cor. 6:9-11)


Don't you want your neighbor, fellow man, to inherit the kingdom of God?

Christians won't put a gun to your head and force you to change your behaviour; but we should preach the message allowing the oppurtunity of salvation by grace to everyone.

Sure, I would preach to him and implore him to make his own moral decision out of love of god and all that jazz. Not to make his decision based on what mortal man's majority-chosen laws are.

#200 May 04 2009 at 10:15 AM Rating: Decent
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Ever read the inferno?


Varrus hates homosexuals almost as much as he hates Brutus.
#201 May 04 2009 at 10:15 AM Rating: Good
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Tricksy,

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Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither the immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God. (1 Cor. 6:9-11)


Don't you want your neighbor, fellow man, to inherit the kingdom of God?

Christians won't put a gun to your head and force you to change your behaviour; but we should preach the message allowing the oppurtunity of salvation by grace to everyone.


My neighbor is gay. And I bet he'd make heaven pretty fabulous if he inherited it.

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