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#602 May 08 2009 at 11:09 AM Rating: Excellent
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I thought it was the job of the family and community to teach right and wrong. At least that's what conservatives have been ranting about.

and child says, "but Clinton did it".
So now it's Clinton's fault that children are having sex? I thought that was something the parents were supposed to deal with. Why are these parents exposing their children to Clinton's sexcapades anyway?
#603 May 08 2009 at 11:09 AM Rating: Good
I was doing ok reading through this until Bill & Monica and oval office head was mentioned. Now I'm totally lost...what were you all talking about again?
#604 May 08 2009 at 11:10 AM Rating: Good
Ryneguy wrote:
I was doing ok reading through this until Bill & Monica and oval office head was mentioned. Now I'm totally lost...what were you all talking about again?
Straight people think about gay sex an awful lot.
#605 May 08 2009 at 11:11 AM Rating: Good
Nix wrote:
Straight people think about gay sex an awful lot.


Right, right...I remember now. That's why Varrus is posting so much. Thanks!
#606REDACTED, Posted: May 08 2009 at 11:11 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Nix,
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#608 May 08 2009 at 11:13 AM Rating: Good
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hangtennow wrote:
Nix,

Actually I'm trying to help you.



Oh, this gonna be interesting.
#609 May 08 2009 at 11:16 AM Rating: Excellent
NixNot wrote:
Straight people think about gay sex an awful lot.
Positively obsessed. Hell, a massive percentage of **** marketed to straight men is "lesbian."
#610 May 08 2009 at 11:17 AM Rating: Good
hangtennow wrote:
You realize you can't just lock your child up to keep them from being exposed to questionable acts don't you?
If parents aren't ready or equipped to discuss sex with their children, they should take steps to minimize their children's exposure to things that they find objectionable.

Edited, May 8th 2009 2:20pm by NixNot
#611 May 08 2009 at 11:17 AM Rating: Excellent
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NixNot wrote:
Ryneguy wrote:
I was doing ok reading through this until Bill & Monica and oval office head was mentioned. Now I'm totally lost...what were you all talking about again?
Straight people think about gay sex an awful lot.


"Straight" people, yeah.


The link tag on SFGate was "The elephant in the closet". Smiley: laugh

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#612 May 08 2009 at 11:18 AM Rating: Good
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Mindel wrote:
NixNot wrote:
Straight people think about gay sex an awful lot.
Positively obsessed. Hell, a massive percentage of **** marketed to straight men is "lesbian."
I see the advantages. All the female nakedness and none of the *****.

Doesn't quite have the same zip though.
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Just because something turns you on doesn't mean it's wrong, either.

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#615 May 08 2009 at 11:44 AM Rating: Decent
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Just because something turns you on doesn't mean it's wrong, either.
Remember who you're talking to.
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#616 May 08 2009 at 11:47 AM Rating: Excellent
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Elinda wrote:
Samira wrote:
Just because something turns you on doesn't mean it's wrong, either.
Remember who you're talking to.


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#617 May 08 2009 at 11:49 AM Rating: Good
Samira wrote:
Just because something turns you on doesn't mean it's wrong, either.
I'm turned on by the thought of Gordon Brown violating a pound of room-temperature ground turkey. Is that wrong?
#618 May 08 2009 at 11:51 AM Rating: Decent
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It's actually been more entertaining than listening to "We need marriage benefits for the naturally produced children!" over and over again.
And over and over and over and over.

Varrus, you still haven't addressed the fact that gay marriage will reduce the spread of STD's.

1) Married couples are more likely to be monogamous.
2) a monogamous relationship will not spread std's. At worst case they will contain the std's within the relationship, best case is as nix said, if both partners have no std's no std's will be spread at all.

Given that your stated goal is to reduce harm to society, then encouraging gay marriage should be the obvious path. note that point 1 isn't saying that all married people are monogamous, but I would think it's reasonable to say that given societal norms at the moment, it does encourage that.
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#619 May 08 2009 at 11:52 AM Rating: Excellent
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Mindel wrote:
Samira wrote:
Just because something turns you on doesn't mean it's wrong, either.
I'm turned on by the thought of Gordon Brown violating a pound of room-temperature ground turkey. Is that wrong?


No, that's just the House of Lords.

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#620 May 08 2009 at 11:54 AM Rating: Good
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Given that your stated goal is to reduce harm to society, then encouraging gay marriage should be the obvious path. note that point 1 isn't saying that all married people are monogamous, but I would think it's reasonable to say that given societal norms at the moment, it does encourage that.


He's already established by providing definitive proof that if we legalize gay marriage all our children will turn gay because we can't shield them from everything.
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#622 May 08 2009 at 12:04 PM Rating: Excellent
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You don't think married people tend to be more monogamous than unmarried people?

Well, that's counterintuitive.

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#623 May 08 2009 at 12:10 PM Rating: Decent
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Cody,

His source is a clearly biased homosexual website. My source was the CDC. Which do you think is more credible?
His source cites recent studies on the CDC website, cu[/bntf[b]uck. I said said it right in my quote. Learn to read.

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According the strict definition of this incestual marriage as well as polygamy should be allowed yet we as a nation recognize these behaviours to be harmful to society. Homoexuality is no different. In fact it can be argued that homosexuals are more harmful than polygamists because their acts lead to aids. And yes they do. That 1-3% of the population accounts for 71% of the aids cases should throw up all kinds of red flags to a logical thinking citizen. But you aren't acting on logic are you.
It doesn't give us the right to stop infringe on their rights. I'm acting on logic, you're acting on baseless opinions and use the bible as a crutch to sooth your own mind and justify your senseless bigotry.

Either way: Monogamous relationships are more likely to stay monogamous, whether you "buy" that or not. Allowing gay marriage will only reduce the number of new cases of AIDS being spread around and therefore positively influence society as a whole. Your pseudo-logic and wannabe morals can not deny it. I'm sorry, but simply saying "I don't buy it" or once more stating that it's a health risk (which it has clearly been proven to NOT be, time and time again in as many ways as one could possibly hope for) is NOT an argument.
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#625 May 08 2009 at 2:28 PM Rating: Good
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1) Married couples are more likely to be monogamous


I don't buy that. And once pandoras box, metaphorically speaking, is opened it can't be shut.
Are you willing to acknowledge the argument being valid if that point is assumed?

Also it's a very simple medical argument. The fact that you're ignoring the actual facts and instead creating false connections doesn't affect what's actually going on. The homosexual community, in large part due to being rejected by society in turn rejected societal norms at the time. They had a tendency to have multiple partners and sleep around more then was normal at the time, and so due to that and of course the increased risk of **** sex std's and specifically aids spread through the community very quickly. This has nothing to do with being gay however, it has to do with the gay culture at the time. If homosexuals are trying to have the option to change that culture by committing to official intended permanent relationships, this will be overall a good thing for society.

Going back to the quote above, I would say that it would be very hard to argue that people entering into a committed relationship are less likely to be monogamous. Given this, at worst we have given equality to this group, and there will be no effect, and at best we have set in place a system that has the potential to change the gay community for the better in terms of health etc.
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#626gbaji, Posted: May 08 2009 at 5:54 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Reading it and quoting it are nice. But where in there does it say that gay couples must be allowed to qualify for a set of government funded or mandated benefits if they agree to marry?
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