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#1 Apr 22 2009 at 9:49 AM Rating: Good
I'm just thinking out loud. Some of the so called "evidence" seems a little odd in what I've read for reports. Initially, of course, there's the capture of this 23 y/o med student. From what I read, there's only one death associated to this. He's being charged for 1 death and 1 robbery from another similar incident.

So now, I read this report today further claiming this guy is a twisted individual that "kept panties as memento's of his victims". Clicky

So two victims, and this guy has a mound of panties hidden, along with a gun & ammo, in his apartment. Also, seems aside from security images from video's that show a "similarity" in appearance (because, how many blonde attractive college guys are out there...?) the primary focus for connecting him to the murder is an email address that was setup about "one day before" the contact and subsiquent murder.

So, not only is a 23 y/o med student with a Blackberry is:

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A noted national computer sleuth said Markoff, despite his academic pedigree, appeared inept online.


And...hides this monumental stash of victims panties from two victims, of which there was no mention of any/either missing panties, as well as managing to hide such a "collection" from his fiance along with the weapon and ammo in his own apartment.

Mistaken identity or is everyone in this guys life just as oblivious as the media is painting it?
#2 Apr 22 2009 at 10:08 AM Rating: Excellent
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I've barely followed the story so I'm not defending anyone but a "monumental stash of victims panties" could be fit into a small box or drawer. Women's underwear isn't exactly a bulky item. Also, from what I've read, the theory is that the number of panties suggests additional victims.

Hiding a small firearm & a collection of undies from a fiancee would be pretty trivial unless she's the type to go exploring the corners of your closet when you're not home.
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#3 Apr 22 2009 at 10:15 AM Rating: Excellent
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Hiding a small firearm & a collection of undies from a fiancee would be pretty trivial unless she's the type to go exploring the corners of your closet when you're not home.


I'm confused...you mean some don't do this? Smiley: lol

Seriously though, it seems a little odd that someone with such an apparent good education would flub on some seriously idiotic mistakes such as keeping things like that in their own apartment, as well as using some of their own personal information setting up their secret killer email account. Who knows, though...maybe he is that big of an idiot? I'm interested to see what other evidence spawns in the coming days.
#4 Apr 22 2009 at 10:19 AM Rating: Good
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Hiding a small firearm & a collection of undies from a fiancee would be pretty trivial unless she's the type to go exploring the corners of your closet when you're not home.


I'm confused...you mean some don't do this? Smiley: lol

Seriously though, it seems a little odd that someone with such an apparent good education would flub on some seriously idiotic mistakes such as keeping things like that in their own apartment, as well as using some of their own personal information setting up their secret killer email account. Who knows, though...maybe he is that big of an idiot? I'm interested to see what other evidence spawns in the coming days.


Educated =/= smart.
#5 Apr 22 2009 at 10:20 AM Rating: Good
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He might have unconsciously made some mistakes because of his feeling about what he is doing. Who knows? Also, there are plenty of idiots with good educations.
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#6 Apr 22 2009 at 10:30 AM Rating: Good
Oh Anna, I wouldn't call you an idiot, per se.
#7 Apr 22 2009 at 10:36 AM Rating: Good
True, education doesn't dictate common sense. The internet/email thing kills me, though. I just envision the obvious facepalm from the person that realizes that maybe they shouldn't have used their last name or current email address when registering their super secret murder email.

If this pans out, it may very well be a likely candidate for a darwin award!
#8 Apr 22 2009 at 10:39 AM Rating: Good
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True, education doesn't dictate common sense. The internet/email thing kills me, though. I just envision the obvious facepalm from the person that realizes that maybe they shouldn't have used their last name or current email address when registering their super secret murder email.

If this pans out, it may very well be a likely candidate for a darwin award!


I guess the real killer could be framing this guy, if that's what your getting at. Though he pretty much lucked out if he just randomly stole a man's identity who happened to have a huge stash of trophy panties in a drawer with a handgun.
#9 Apr 22 2009 at 10:54 AM Rating: Excellent
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The "personal information" may mean he used his home computer to make the email account, not his real name. I haven't read the articles, though.

I'm betting he didn't think he'd ever actually shoot anyone. Robbery was his thing, primarily, though keeping sexual souvenirs is strange in that case. But my point is, consciously at least he didn't see the need to be particularly cautious since in his mind he was just ripping off whores, no big deal.

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#10 Apr 22 2009 at 11:17 AM Rating: Excellent
But, if he were to take the panties of his victims and considering the typical meeting place of "Hotels" being considered, wouldn't it make sense that he would have to take the panties they were wearing? Clearly, I would've noticed the phrase "panties missing" when reading the article concerning the young ladies in question. I don't miss that kind of stuff... Smiley: lol

Edited, Apr 22nd 2009 3:18pm by Ryneguy
#11 Apr 22 2009 at 11:22 AM Rating: Good
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Ryneguy wrote:
True, education doesn't dictate common sense. The internet/email thing kills me, though. I just envision the obvious facepalm from the person that realizes that maybe they shouldn't have used their last name or current email address when registering their super secret murder email.

If this pans out, it may very well be a likely candidate for a darwin award!


You know, being a sociopath is harder than it looks and this guy might not be one, which is why he ****** up so much. Some forensic psychiatrist will probably write about that later.

Edited, Apr 22nd 2009 3:22pm by Annabella
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#12 Apr 22 2009 at 11:31 AM Rating: Excellent
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Is it? How hard does it look, exactly?

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#13 Apr 22 2009 at 11:34 AM Rating: Excellent
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Couldn't the panties just be you know, his? Smiley: confused
#14 Apr 22 2009 at 11:36 AM Rating: Excellent
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Anything's possible, I suppose. How embarrassing for him if he's not the robber.

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#15 Apr 22 2009 at 11:38 AM Rating: Good
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Is it? How hard does it look, exactly?



I mean, people get more confounded by empathy than they'd like to admit, especially people in the prison system. I've met plenty of kids and adults, including ones that were labeled by some people as sociopaths and they are alot more @#%^ed up by their actions in strange ways than anyone likes to admit. Most forensic evaluators get excited if they think they have a sociopath in their midst. Most of the time, and experienced forensic evaluators in the field will concur, that a true sociopath is very rare and evaluators who talk about them alot are usually hopeless narcissists who let their ego get in the way of doing good work.

But someone can have empathy and still do horrific things. The capacity to do this isn't usually something done by people without a superego, even though I think we wished they were so we could see it as "inhuman" and not as something that anyone could potentially do.

I've evaluated people who've killed other people. Really, they make basic mistakes and usually it's because of their own feelings of guilt.

Edited, Apr 22nd 2009 3:40pm by Annabella
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#16 Apr 22 2009 at 11:49 AM Rating: Good
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I thought I read somewhere that his fiance was going to a different med school in another state; hence they didn't live together. That's probably how he was able to get away with seeing all those prostitutes and keeping their underwear in his apartment.

I think Samira's right. He never intended to murder anyone; he was just an @#%^ who liked to cheat on his fiance with prostitutes on Craigslist. It sounds like he also may have also had a gambling problem (he was reportedly driving to Foxwoods when he was arrested), and robbing the prostitutes he saw probably seemed like a convenient way for him to use one hobby to fund the other. At least until one of them decided to fight back.

A bunch of online newspapers had a link up to his wedding website before it was taken down. Internet trolls were going to town in their online guestbook the night he was arrested.

Edited, Apr 22nd 2009 3:54pm by kylen
#17 Apr 22 2009 at 11:57 AM Rating: Excellent
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I think we wished they were so we could see it as "inhuman" and not as something that anyone could potentially do.


Yeah, a lot of people are comforted by that idea, oddly.

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#18 Apr 22 2009 at 12:10 PM Rating: Decent
I thought I was a sociopath, once, but it was just indigestion.
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We'll get you that superegoectomy someday.

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#20 Apr 22 2009 at 9:59 PM Rating: Good
Glad he's been caught. Being the overnight manager at a hotel in the back bay was a bit more eventful the last week or so.

Only got to kick out on hooker though. But when they try and solicit your security guard, it's too easy.
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#21 Apr 22 2009 at 11:06 PM Rating: Decent
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As a couple of people have pointed out, it's unlikely that his objective was to kill anyone. He'd robbed at least one other woman, and presumably more than that. He killed her because she attempted to fight him. He didn't put much effort into covering his tracks presumably because he correctly knew that someone prostituting themselves on Craig's List would be unlikely to report being robbed. In most cases, she'd be admitting to a crime (set of crimes actually) more serious than what she'd been a victim of. And if a prostitute reports a robbery, it's not like the police go into full steam ahead mode to catch the guy, and it's not like public outrage makes it a high priority either...

So he didn't have much need to cover his tracks. He was counting on some sad but true facts to protect him.
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#22 Apr 23 2009 at 5:44 AM Rating: Good
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There are so many mistakes here that it makes me cringe.
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There are so many mistakes here that it makes me cringe.
Huh?

Mistakes in the posts here, mistakes by those investigating the case, mistakes in what the media has been reporting, or mistakes in the way the alleged criminal carried out is devious deeds?
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#24 Apr 23 2009 at 6:49 AM Rating: Good
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Mistakes in the posts here, mistakes by those investigating the case, mistakes in what the media has been reporting, or mistakes in the way the alleged criminal carried out is devious deeds?


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As a couple of people have pointed out, it's unlikely that his objective was to kill anyone. He'd robbed at least one other woman, and presumably more than that. He killed her because she attempted to fight him. He didn't put much effort into covering his tracks presumably because he correctly knew that someone prostituting themselves on Craig's List would be unlikely to report being robbed. In most cases, she'd be admitting to a crime (set of crimes actually) more serious than what she'd been a victim of. And if a prostitute reports a robbery, it's not like the police go into full steam ahead mode to catch the guy, and it's not like public outrage makes it a high priority either...

So he didn't have much need to cover his tracks. He was counting on some sad but true facts to protect him.


Why do people presume so deeply? People make simple mistakes all the time. Why is that so hard to believe?
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