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#27 Apr 15 2009 at 2:07 PM Rating: Decent
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They don't hold people for possession of alcohol for a month...


Never been to Iran, I see. Let me add that my list of things I wasn't surprised to find out about you.


Oh. And let's not leave out the possibility that she was actually spying for us.



Lets, in fact, leave that possibility out. Masters in communications from Northwestern? Times are that bad for CIA. Oh wait, what's this, MIR from Cambridge? Hmm, perhaps you're right.

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#28 Apr 15 2009 at 7:42 PM Rating: Decent
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Never been to Iran, I see. Let me add that my list of things I wasn't surprised to find out about you.


Well, the article says something different.

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Even fines are rare these days, unless it’s a big sting operation and they’re after distributors. Alcohol is not only widely available, but in cities like Tehran, almost in every home above a certain socioeconomic class.

No one, to my knowledge, has in recent years been given anything more than a few hours at the police station and a fine for drinking or buying alcohol. It has to be remembered that alcohol production and consumption is not illegal for the religious minorities — i.e., Jews, Christians and Zoroastrians — so there is a plentiful supply, as well as bootleg liquor flowing across the porous borders with Azerbaijan, Armenia and Turkey.
#29 Apr 16 2009 at 12:33 AM Rating: Good
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The reporter in question shouldn't think of it so much as a detaining for a month, as being free alcohol rehab on Iran's dime. Celebrities here in the States pay good money for such treatment. Think we could convince Amy Winehouse to visit Teheran?

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Totem wrote:
Think we could convince Amy Winehouse to visit Teheran?


Isn't sending Amy Winehouse to another nation considered a war crime by the UN?
#31 Apr 18 2009 at 3:27 AM Rating: Good
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#32 Apr 18 2009 at 4:57 AM Rating: Decent
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#33 Apr 18 2009 at 7:07 AM Rating: Good
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And she's been incarcerated for the past six months without anybody knowing about it over here. Word is she checks in with her family/editor/friends only sporadically, so no one knew she had been already arrested. She's prolly in some place called "Guantanehren" or something.

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#34 Apr 18 2009 at 7:36 AM Rating: Good
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Totem wrote:
And she's been incarcerated for the past six months without anybody knowing about it over here. Word is she checks in with her family/editor/friends only sporadically, so no one knew she had been already arrested. She's prolly in some place called "Guantanehren" or something.

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Well, I am not sure what will happen but the bad sentiment this will raise is surely not what the Iranian government needs when it has a US president willing to engage in talks with them. The problem both sides have now is that neither side can afford to lose face. The Iranians cannot backtrack the sentence without looking foolish and the Americans cannot let her rot in a jail for 8 years for a non-crime. I'm hoping they reduce her sentence to her time served and let her free.

The worst part in all this is that because of the disgraceful treatment of prisoners without trial in Guatanamo bay and rendition flights, the US cannot hold its head high and claim a moral higher ground. At least the Iranians gave her a trial and can claim they followed their own laws (even if it is a politically based judgement).

And just because I'm replying to Totem .. I wonder what Saint Obama will do about this Smiley: nod
#35 Apr 18 2009 at 9:04 AM Rating: Decent
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And just because I'm replying to Totem .. I wonder what Saint Obama will do about this Smiley: nod
There's nothing he can do. She's been tried and found guilty. Her only hope is the Iranian juditial system.
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#36 Apr 18 2009 at 9:08 AM Rating: Decent
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GwynapNud the Eccentric wrote:
At least the Iranians gave her a trial and can claim they followed their own laws (even if it is a politically based judgement)


A closed-doors trial, where they refused to let the evidence or proceedings be made public. What's stupid is that their moronic political posturing is going to wreck that woman's life. It's retarded how they force themselves into these cul-de-sacs - they can't let her go without losing face, but keeping her there is just going to **** off the US and make their judicial system look corrupt and politically motivated.

Well, there's a bright side. If they get pressured into letting her out, she gets a book deal out of it.
#37 Apr 18 2009 at 9:17 AM Rating: Good
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zepoodle wrote:
GwynapNud the Eccentric wrote:
At least the Iranians gave her a trial and can claim they followed their own laws (even if it is a politically based judgement)


A closed-doors trial, where they refused to let the evidence or proceedings be made public. What's stupid is that their moronic political posturing is going to wreck that woman's life. It's retarded how they force themselves into these cul-de-sacs - they can't let her go without losing face, but keeping her there is just going to **** off the US and make their judicial system look corrupt and politically motivated.

Well, there's a bright side. If they get pressured into letting her out, she gets a book deal out of it.
Wait, sorry. Was this an American objecting to unfair treatment of prisoners? AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...
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#38 Apr 18 2009 at 9:23 AM Rating: Good
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Zepoodle is from ******* austrailia iirc

don't make a dimwit of yourself, at LEAST end with iirc

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Pensive the Ludicrous wrote:
Zepoodle is from @#%^ing austrailia iirc

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Meh, I'm new. The point stands, though. This thread is a shambles. At least she GOT A TRIAL. Blegh.

Edited, Apr 18th 2009 1:49pm by Nilatai
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#40 Apr 18 2009 at 10:38 AM Rating: Decent
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Nilatai the Intelligent wrote:
Pensive the Ludicrous wrote:
Zepoodle is from @#%^ing austrailia iirc

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Meh, I'm new. The point stands, though. This thread is a shambles. At least she GOT A TRIAL. Blegh.

You're right. Of course justice should be entirely subjective to the country you come from! That's why we're allowed to just execute anyone we want if they're from a third-world country, no matter if they've earned citizenship here.

Christ, you're a stupid one. Not to mention naive, if you think the only way she's getting out of this is through Iran's courts.
#41 Apr 18 2009 at 8:17 PM Rating: Decent
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Nilatai the Intelligent wrote:
Wait, sorry. Was this an American objecting to unfair treatment of prisoners? AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...


No, it actually isn't.

Edit: Admittedly, Australia's policy regarding illegal immigrants is almost just as bad as America's. Still, we don't lock up reporters on trumped-up charges of espionage. We leave that to Thailand.

Edited, Apr 19th 2009 12:21am by zepoodle
#42 Apr 18 2009 at 8:22 PM Rating: Excellent
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Was this an American objecting to unfair treatment of prisoners? AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...
And they say Americans paint foreigners with a broad brush. Good to know you guys can be just as ignorant Smiley: smile

Edited, Apr 18th 2009 11:22pm by Jophiel
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#43 Apr 19 2009 at 12:14 AM Rating: Good
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"At least she GOT A TRIAL." --Nilatai

Is that so? A kangaroo court is an acceptable nod to justice as long as the trappings and motions of the judicial system are used? Interesting (read flippin' stupid) take there, N. I'd love to see your views on date-rape. "Well, he took her out to dinner before he sliped her a roofie. At least she got a meal out of the experience!"

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#44 Apr 19 2009 at 12:18 AM Rating: Good
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My guess is that she'll be given back to the United States in a show of magnaminity and demonstration of thawing relations between our two countries. Iran will continue to claim she was snooping around, she'll deny it, the US will solemnly proclaim that wiser and cooler heads have prevailed and that this is a concrete step towards better relations. Then in two weeks no one will remember anything about the tempest in a teapot.

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Nilatai the Intelligent wrote:
GwynapNud the Eccentric wrote:
And just because I'm replying to Totem .. I wonder what Saint Obama will do about this Smiley: nod
There's nothing he can do. She's been tried and found guilty. Her only hope is the Iranian juditial system.
Which I'm sure we can all agree is fairly corrupt, if it can claim a total farce to be a trial and then put out some flimsy straw man cover story. Come on Nila, you're more intelligent than this.

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This won't turn out well.


Edited, Apr 20th 2009 7:35am by Lucinus
#46 Apr 20 2009 at 5:05 AM Rating: Good
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Lucinus wrote:
Nilatai the Intelligent wrote:
GwynapNud the Eccentric wrote:
And just because I'm replying to Totem .. I wonder what Saint Obama will do about this Smiley: nod
There's nothing he can do. She's been tried and found guilty. Her only hope is the Iranian juditial system.
Which I'm sure we can all agree is fairly corrupt, if it can claim a total farce to be a trial and then put out some flimsy straw man cover story. Come on Nila, you're more intelligent than this.
I'm too lazy to construct a proper argument. Armed conflict over this isn't the way to go though. It's not like she's a prisoner of war, so getting her released on political grounds isn't going to fly either.Didn't someone in this thread mention that she's an Iranian citizen? What do you expect the US govarnment to do about it?
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#47 Apr 20 2009 at 5:08 AM Rating: Good
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She's also a US citizen. She has dual citizenship. Iran just chooses to ignore the 2nd country and claims her solely as an Iranian.
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#48 Apr 20 2009 at 5:13 AM Rating: Good
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Would it make much of a difference? You still have to follow the laws of whatever country you happen to be in. Perhaps the sentence was a bit harsh, idk, I'm not an Iranian lawyer. For all we know any Full Iranian would get a similar punishment. Who knows, maybe they're just making an example of her, courts like to do that.
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#49 May 11 2009 at 5:41 AM Rating: Good
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Update:

Roxana should be freed today.

Roxana's lawyer wrote:
"They have reduced her sentence. … She will be free as of today," he said.


Not surprising, really.
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