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Are you talking about the officers who the man brutally walked away from or the pedestrian who was gently and carefully shoved to the ground?

This might remotely make sense had the pedestrian made threatening comments, motion, or done anything other than silently walk away from the group of officers.

Edited, Apr 11th 2009 10:59am by Allegory

Well, the video's audio is the worst part of it, you really can't say he didn't make comments or that he was walking silently or if the police told him to do something which he might have just blown off.

Again, I'm not saying the cops in this case weren't couldn't be complete douchebags (as I've worked with several), but this video is hardly a black and white example of police brutality, and let's be honest. It's not like the media has a track record of honest and unbiased reporting.

Edited, Apr 11th 2009 12:11pm by lolgaxe

If we can't expect those that enforce the law to be above retaliatory strikes (and that's what this would be if the guy had have mouthed off), then why should we respect when they try to uphold it against others?

So if I walk through the bronx (hypothetically here) with a gold watch on and I get mugged, that absolves the robbers of blame?

I see.

Sure, potentially. For all he knows I have a nuke in my suitcase.

Yeah, the example sucked.

The video seems to show that he only starts leaving when the group of police gets very close to him, and there was no reason to move that slow. If there was, he should have said something. If the police still shoved him to the ground like that, then I'll understand saying this is police brutality. As it is, no one has any damn clue what was going on.



Again, why were his hands in his pockets? Try to use some creativity here.



Like not walk away at a normal pace and keeping his hands inside his pockets, when he could full damn well have a knife in there as far as the officer knew?



You'll have to forgive me for not coming up with an example involving a guy having a possible knife or gun in his pocket. I didn't think anyone here would have been able to remove themselves from the situation enough.

Oh, I know! They should grab his wrists! Brilliant suggestion, truly one to remember. It would have solved every single potential problem.

Lemme clarify my point:

None of this should have happened. If you're going to try to base your entire position on the video, then there's no logical claim that this was police brutality and nothing but. The video shows nothing and just leaves a ton of questions open about the situation.

Should the guy have been shoved? We can say with certainty after the situation that he posed no harm to anyone and absolutely should not have been. Should he have been staying that far behind the rest of the crowd? No. Do we have any idea what the police officers were saying to him before they shoved him to the ground? No. Again, is there any conclusive evidence provided in the video? No. None at all.

Maybe next time you can link to some other stories of alleged brutality that day rather than point at some barely conclusive evidence provided by a rather short and poorly filmed video and act as though it's the end-all be-all proof.

Hay, I didn't say anything about the potential for anything, I'm just trying to point out that the video is shitty as evidence for or against either party. Just bringing some perspective from the other side of the shield.

Oh, and nothing is on TV.

Edited, Apr 11th 2009 1:07pm by lolgaxe

You mean my first post where I said a cop is going to err on the side of caution and personal safety in potentially riotous situations?

No. I was taking the ****.




The guy was shoved by a hyped up angry young cop. Trying to justify it with 'perhaps he was carrying a bomb'!!1!1!1!! just shows how paranoid and mind-rinsed everyones become over the last few years and is a load of ***** I wonder what your opinion would have been if it had been a woman. Or a muslim. Or a Black. or someone in a wheelchair. Perhaps that would be a good question to ask yourself.

I know the police are better in the UK than 180 other countries, I know because I've been on the 'opposing side' many many times, but in my opinion, the cop was out of order. And in the same way as if it had been the cop getting whacked and dying 5 minutes later from a brain aneurism, I started this thread to point out an interesting piece of footage that showed someone being a cnut.

You keep on justifying the shove to yourselves, and at the end of the day, you're right, the old fella was probably a complete ****** who I wouldnt **** on if he was on fire. But to keep up with the 'he was a potential danger' shows more about the current mindset of a population who has come to see everyone around them as potential terrorists and subversives than it does about the police.

I'm done with this thread.

The guy had moved - several times - he was a newspaper seller who was on his way home from his stall and was trying to work his way around the collection of police presences to get back to his house. He was not a G20 protestor, although even if he had been, the police's own rules of 'minimum force' were surely exceeded.

The group of police shown had just survived being cut off and attacked by a section of the protestors and were therefore probably seriously ready to err on the side of caution (read 'hit first, ask questions later') resulting in their lapse of professionalism. The officer responsible for the assault (and that's what it was, pure and simple) has at least owned up, so we should see some progress on this soon.

At least our cops aren't sexist

Almost certainly a confrontational gobby cow, but another example of a cop who can't manage his anger, IMHO.

Now I feel loved