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#152 Apr 10 2009 at 2:16 AM Rating: Excellent
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Jeremiah Project, a conservative "family protection" group wrote:
The homosexual rights movement wants more than "tolerance." Its final goal is for homosexuality to be considered acceptable and normal. These folks will not stop until they have been granted all the rights and benefits of traditional married couples. Homosexuals first plan to gain legal rights as married couples through "domestic partnership" laws, and then to seek state-sanctioned marriages and the right to adopt children.

...homosexual and lesbian groups support for a national gay rights law which would make homosexuality a constitutionally protected civil right. Such a law could give homosexuals, pedophiles, and sado-masochists the same preferred standing at law that is now enjoyed by blacks, Hispanics, women, and the physically handicapped. They want to give a man who marries another man the same rights as a husband and wife...

The overall strategy, as outlined in gay-authored books, such as The Homosexualization of America and After the Ball, is (1) to divert the attention of the general public from "what homosexuals do;" (2) to make homosexuality a topic of everyday conversation so that it becomes familiar to all Americans and hence no longer threatening; (3) to portray homosexuals as normal and wholesome, like the folks next door; and (4) to portray those who disapprove of homosexual behavior as victimizers motivated by ignorance and hatred.



Well put me in high heels and call me auntie. Those Christians seem to be on to something!

Edited, Apr 10th 2009 6:18am by Ninomori
#153 Apr 10 2009 at 4:02 AM Rating: Excellent
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Someone should let the Jeremiah project know that sado-masochists are already allowed to get married & stuff.
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#154 Apr 10 2009 at 5:12 AM Rating: Decent
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Just because you hold a different opinion doesn't mean you are wrong.


But in this case, he is.
#155 Apr 10 2009 at 5:40 AM Rating: Decent
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Hey Gbaji, remember the last thread about this? Remember when Joph made an excellent post about why same sex marriages were just as beneficial to society as opposite sex ones? Remember when you ignored it? yeah, that's the issue. You're wrong.
I remember it too, he didn't ignore it he just disagreed, thats not being wrong thats having a different opinion.

Just because you hold a different opinion doesn't mean you are wrong.
If by disagreed you mean holding your hands over your ears and yelling no, maybe. I don't recall him addressing any of the points Jophiel brought up. Also, my you're wrong addresses his root theorem that it's all about the kids, as well as the idea that there isn't value in encouraging stable same sex relationships the way we do for opposite sex relationships. Really the other thread was much better.

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#156 Apr 10 2009 at 5:42 AM Rating: Good
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Ok. Let's test it then. Are you saying that if someone were to propose changing the tax code such that only opposite-sex couples could file under the "married" columns, this would be just fine with the gay rights folks?


To be clear, I assume you're talking about state taxes? You do know that the IRS doesn't allow same-sex couples to claim married status on their federal income tax return even if the state recognizes the marriage?

From IRS Publication 501, on Page 5, Under the heading Marital Status:
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In general, your filing status depends on whether you are considered unmarried or married. For federal tax purposes, a marriage means only a legal union between a man and a woman as husband and wife.

http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p501.pdf

Their position is based on the federal Defense of Marriage Act. So even if every state recognized same-sex marriages, the federal law would have to change before they were treated equally on their federal income taxes.

And reportedly, a couple in Massachusetts discovered
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the joint federal filing would have generated $200 more in tax revenues for the government than did their two individual filings combined.

http://www.boston.com/news/specials/gay_marriage/articles/2005/03/14/with_marriage_gay_couples_face_tax_tangles/
#157 Apr 10 2009 at 5:47 AM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
Someone should let the Jeremiah project know that sado-masochists are already allowed to get married & stuff.
Omg! the super-sneaky subversive ghey agenda is already succeeding.
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#158 Apr 10 2009 at 6:00 AM Rating: Decent
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Their position is based on the federal Defense of Marriage Act. So even if every state recognized same-sex marriages, the federal law would have to change before they were treated equally on their federal income taxes.


Which is why DOMA has to be stricken down asap.
#159 Apr 10 2009 at 6:15 AM Rating: Excellent
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Besides another class of society having access to rights single people don't?


You seem to have missed the marriage part. As it is gay marriage being legalized, then they would be married and would receive all the same benefits of a married couple. Makes sense to me.

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Or the inherent danger in supporting a lifestyle that not only destroys the fabric of the family


I've been waiting for actual evidence for this claim for ages.

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Homosexuality leads to std's. That's a fact. That's also the reason homosexuals can't donate blood.


They can't donate blood? Really? Is that a law? Because if it is, it's a terribly ridiculous one. Assuming that they would use a different needle every time, the way needles are handled during use, and that they can detect the std before the actually use the blood for anything else, it's a law that applies only to rare occasions where someone pricks theirself with the used needle.

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Despite what Obama says this is a christian country founded on christian principles. So if you want to marry someone of the same sex move to sweeden.


I thought that there was something in your constitution about the separation of church and state, so, whether the founding fathers were christian or not really doesn't apply to how the government is today.

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They have everything to do with freedom.


No they don't. Your government collects taxes I assume so that they can invest them in programmes meant to better the quality of life(and so that they can just hand it away to bankers and companies who did stupid things), so in collecting taxes(which don't put you back all that much ********* the government is giving you more freedom by making things accessible to you that would not be if they didn't have your tax money.

If I have the point of collecting taxes is the US wrong, by all means please tell me, I didn't look this up.

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Homosexuals are subverting the govn the same way the pornography industry is; or @#%^philes (NAMBLA).


Are you really trying to compare homosexuality to paedophilia and ****(not a huge fan of it myself...)? If you are, you must be grasping at straws because you're not communicating your point effectively enough.

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**** devalues women


I disagree, but I'm not going to try and defend an industry that I'm not too fond of.

Also, I don't see being a **** star to be unsavory. So people have sex for a living, so what? They have a job, they make money, the do their thing. A **** star is no different in the end than anyone else...they just **** a lot more.

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I pay taxes, I vote, I should have a say in whether our govn openly condones immoral behaviour. To some people morality is a very important issue.


I agree with you to a point. You elected your representatives and senators so you voted in the people who are either in favour or against it so in the end, you checked the box for the person who makes that decision likely knowing their views on the topic . If the guy you voted for lost, oh well, better luck next time. It would be great if they could just put it up for a nationwide vote(as though it were an election) but that never seems to happen...

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No you're the one condoning 5 guys tag teaming a girl as a legitimate business pursuit.



Man, you watch some kinky ****.

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That's the thing, it's not my idea. It's based on the religion which was a big part of the constitution that tells us what is and isn't acceptable behaviour for a civilized society.


Ok, I'm going to go read the constituion now...


...5 minutes later...

Didn't find that religion part. Also, if you're sayign this because of the mention of "under God", did it ever occur to you that:

A. Christians, Jews & Muslims pretty much worship the same god?

B. Some religions have more than one god.

C. This was likely in there because the people writing it were christians and not because they wanted to create a Christian state?

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I have a problem with immorality. Something that obviously doesn't bother you. But then again you're probably a card carrying member of NAMBLA.


You've been talking about NAMBLA and pedos a lot lately varrus, trying to tell us something?

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#161 Apr 10 2009 at 6:31 AM Rating: Excellent
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Wow, where to begin...

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When our nation gets used to accepting one form of deviant behaviour others will follow.
According to what?
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That's why I have specifically mentioned **** (which has already happened and I believe is a huge reason most of the women in this country have children born out of wedlock thereby requiring more tax dollars to support her and the child which directly affects me).
So some dude spanking it at 2am is the reason for children born out of wedlock? And here I thought it was a lack of knowledge/availability of birth control...
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Secondly I've mentioned NAMBLA because once homosexuality is completely normalized their behaviour is next. And before you say that could never happen I'd like you to think hard about past societies that have condoned sex with children aged 11-15.
Societies in the past married around the 12-year-old age because they only lived into the 30's. So you know, there's the whole "continuation of the species" thing.

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While you think you're being understanding and offering equality to a disenfranchised group of people I'd like you to think real hard on what i've just said.

Not to mention it's a fact that people engaged in homosexual acts cannot donate blood. That should tell you something in and of itself.

Yeah. That people are short-sighted, bigoted, and poorly educated. Oh, and that religion is a tool of control. It controls your opinion, and now has totally messed up your sense of justice, equality, decency, and pretty much everything else about you.
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When our nation gets used to accepting one form of deviant behaviour others will follow.


You really underestimate your nation.

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why I have specifically mentioned **** (which has already happened and I believe is a huge reason most of the women in this country have children born out of wedlock


Smiley: lol

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Secondly I've mentioned NAMBLA because once homosexuality is completely normalized their behaviour is next.


Smiley: laugh

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And before you say that could never happen I'd like you to think hard about past societies that have condoned sex with children aged 11-15.


Oh, it could happen, but as it's something we stopped doing, it probably won't happen. I'm saying it can't, I'm saying it probably won't.

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While you think you're being understanding and offering equality to a disenfranchised group of people I'd like you to think real hard on what i've just said.


I think that I'm accepting and offering equality to a group of people who were born the way they are and have been treated terribly in the past because of it.

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Not to mention it's a fact that people engaged in homosexual acts cannot donate blood. That should tell you something in and of itself.


Ok, looking it up.

Huh, how bout that. I was wrong. Now I know something I didn't though, so it's all good.

With modern medical technology though, it would be perfectly acceptable for homosexuals to give blood. I don't see how it really applies to reality anymore.
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Huh, how bout that. I was wrong. Now I know something I didn't though, so it's all good.


But what does it tell you?

Information means nothing if we do nothing with it.

It means that when AIDS hit, the populace freaked the **** out and had a massive knee-jerk reaction. Now that technology, and indeed most of society's opinion, has caught up, the idea of banning someone from donating blood based on who they do the deed with seems laughable.

That doesn't prevent people like you from being terrified of catching the gay through a blood transfusion, though.
#166 Apr 10 2009 at 6:49 AM Rating: Decent
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It means that when AIDS hit, the populace freaked the @#%^ out and had a massive knee-jerk reaction. Now that technology, and indeed most of society's opinion, has caught up, the idea of banning someone from donating blood based on who they do the deed with seems laughable.

That doesn't prevent people like you from being terrified of catching the gay through a blood transfusion, though.


Recent tattoores, nor piercers can't give blood either. Considering more people have tattoos than are gay, I really don't think Red Cross gives a **** about any of the minorities they say cant give blood.
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Wow, where to begin...

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That's why I have specifically mentioned **** (which has already happened and I believe is a huge reason most of the women in this country have children born out of wedlock thereby requiring more tax dollars to support her and the child which directly affects me).
So some dude spanking it at 2am is the reason for children born out of wedlock? And here I thought it was a lack of knowledge/availability of birth control...



I think it's more that women are such simple creatures that the images of unbridled passion contained in todays **** drives them into a state of frenzied, insatiable lust such that they just can't bring themselves to slow down and use protection.
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#170 Apr 10 2009 at 6:59 AM Rating: Excellent
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It means that when AIDS hit, the populace freaked the @#%^ out and had a massive knee-jerk reaction. Now that technology, and indeed most of society's opinion, has caught up, the idea of banning someone from donating blood based on who they do the deed with seems laughable.


And your excuse for why the practice is still in effect? You're blind allegiance to a lifestyle in the face of reality is astounding.


STDs run rampant among the teenage/young adult populations among certain areas. Yet colleges in those areas still have blood drives every few months?

Face it: it's illegal to assume a large portion of the population is infected with a disease, based on their demographic. You just hate the gay people, plain and simple.

NixNot should just start coming into these threads and posting a bunch of bear pictures in response to everything varrus says.
#171 Apr 10 2009 at 7:08 AM Rating: Good
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Recent tattoores, nor piercers can't give blood either.


Do you know why?


As a man with many tattoos, of course I do. Does it make anymore sense these days, with our technology, to out right ban a large portion of teh populace (combined) from giving blood? I don't think so.
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I think it's more that women are such simple creatures that the images of unbridled passion contained in todays **** drives them into a state of frenzied, insatiable lust such that they just can't bring themselves to slow down and use protection.
Finally! a man that really understands women.
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#173 Apr 10 2009 at 7:10 AM Rating: Good
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NixNot should just start coming into these threads and posting a bunch of bear pictures in response to everything varrus says.


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#174 Apr 10 2009 at 7:12 AM Rating: Decent
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Kael,

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Recent tattoores, nor piercers can't give blood either.


Do you know why?


As a man with many tattoos, of course I do. Does it make anymore sense these days, with our technology, to out right ban a large portion of teh populace (combined) from giving blood? I don't think so.
If you've traveled over seas in the last 6 months you can't give blood either. If your blood is thin and refuses to sink to the bottom of the test vial you can't give blood. If you don't weigh 115lbs you can't give blood.

Though I've attempted multiple times, the Red Cross has not once wanted my blood:( ....I was still allowed to get married to the person of my choice.
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#175 Apr 10 2009 at 8:29 AM Rating: Good
You also can't give blood if you've ever had sex for money (regardless of the gender), taken some funky medications, have taken any kind of antibiotic in the last month, or forgot to eat this morning.

I get temp deferred about 50% of the time because I'm a coffee addict, and the tannins in coffee interfere with iron absorption. I've still managed to donate almost 3 gallons of whole blood and a pint of platelets.
#176 Apr 10 2009 at 10:47 AM Rating: Decent
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hangtennow wrote:
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Huh, how bout that. I was wrong. Now I know something I didn't though, so it's all good.


But what does it tell you?

Information means nothing if we do nothing with it.



Hmm, tells me that I didn't know something before but know it now actually.
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