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#527 Apr 22 2009 at 9:25 AM Rating: Excellent
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The reason they were lost is because nobody liked that version of the story, and any written copies of it were scrubbed from canon and destroyed. But it remained in some of the oral legends of isolated peoples for a long, long time.
Most of the pseudepigraphical works were abandoned was because, to put it bluntly, they sucked. I've read them and they read like half-assed fanfic with major changes in tone and message from the traditional Gospels or contridicting major themes.

The New Testament as we know it was largely codified by Eusebius in c.325 AD or so (and got the stamp of approval from Athanasius in 367). Even then, it didn't contain major variations from what most folks were using, it just collected them into one place. There were various other works, mainly among the Gnostics who (justifiably) felt persecuted by the Christians and presented their own variations of the Messiah story which were sympathetic to their viewpoint, but these weren't widely accepted by the Church.

Off topic, hey Samira, remember that dude who started debating religion in here once and then began giving cryptic "If others knew what I was telling you..." messages? Smiley: laugh
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#528 Apr 22 2009 at 9:31 AM Rating: Excellent
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Off topic, hey Samira, remember that dude who started debating religion in here once and then began giving cryptic "If others knew what I was telling you..." messages?


Yeah, semi-mystical attempts at veiled messages. Who was that?

I think he'd just read "The da Vinci Code", whoever he was.

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#529 Apr 22 2009 at 9:33 AM Rating: Decent
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#530 Apr 22 2009 at 9:41 AM Rating: Excellent
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Yeah, semi-mystical attempts at veiled messages. Who was that?
Mindwalker. Luckily, I don't invoke the Rosicrucians all that often on this forum thus making it an easy word to search for.
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#531 Apr 22 2009 at 10:41 AM Rating: Decent
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Have we mentioned Hitler yet?
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#532 Apr 22 2009 at 10:53 AM Rating: Excellent
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Hitler killed Jesus. And Kelvy.
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#533 Apr 22 2009 at 10:59 AM Rating: Good
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Monchichis?
#534 Apr 22 2009 at 11:07 AM Rating: Decent
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Manicheas?

I don't know how the hell to spell it. It was just one of those early orders of christians that Augustine was in for a while before he discovered the true path and renounced them as heretics.

Lots of stuff about material vs ideal and spiritual realms, what the soul is, all that good stuff. He talks about it at length in the Confessions which I highly recommend. It is an easy read... if a bit preachy. Augustine was a hell of a guy before he became a saint... in mostly bad ways.

Like I said, I often confuse them for Marcionites.

I believe it was marcion that wrote the Antithesis, which was a work attempting to completely divorce the christian god from the creator god of the jews. I also believe that it was Marcion that put together the first bible, which contained only like two of the gospels and the antitheses, but it was a start.
#535 Apr 22 2009 at 11:08 AM Rating: Good
Pensive the Ludicrous wrote:
Manicheas?

I don't know how the hell to spell it. It was just one of those early orders of christians that Augustine was in for a while before he discovered the true path and renounced them as heretics.

Lots of stuff about material vs ideal and spiritual realms, what the soul is, all that good stuff. He talks about it at length in the Confessions which I highly recommend. It is an easy read... if a bit preachy. Augustine was a hell of a guy before he became a saint... in mostly bad ways.

Like I said, I often confuse them for Marcionites.

I believe it was marcion that wrote the Antithesis, which was a work attempting to completely divorce the christian god from the creator god of the jews. I also believe that it was Marcion that put together the first bible, which contained only like two of the gospels and the antitheses, but it was a start.


It's nearly impossible to joke around with you, isn't it?
#536 Apr 22 2009 at 11:10 AM Rating: Excellent
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Yeah, semi-mystical attempts at veiled messages. Who was that?
Mindwalker. Luckily, I don't invoke the Rosicrucians all that often on this forum thus making it an easy word to search for.


You're a freak of nature for remembering four and a half years later that you invoked them then.

Freak.

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#537 Apr 22 2009 at 11:12 AM Rating: Decent
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It's nearly impossible to joke around with you, isn't it?


I have to be in the right mindset remember? Smiley: frown

I didn't even recognize it as a joke really, I just thought it was a way to ask for more information.

It might also have helped is I knew what a mochichi was.

Also

Belkira, I am passionate about religious studies and derive great joy from discussing it. Asking a question is like throwing a peice of tuna to a cat.

Edited, Apr 22nd 2009 3:13pm by Pensive
#538 Apr 22 2009 at 11:13 AM Rating: Good
Pensive the Ludicrous wrote:
It might also have helped is I knew what a mochichi was.


That's why I included a picture...
#539 Apr 22 2009 at 11:15 AM Rating: Decent
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Don't you have any passion or hobby about which you could just go on and on about forever were no one to stop you? That's a lot what it's like.
#540 Apr 22 2009 at 11:19 AM Rating: Good
Pensive the Ludicrous wrote:
Don't you have any passion or hobby about which you could just go on and on about forever were no one to stop you? That's a lot what it's like.


I'm passionate about lots of things, but I don't allow it to consume me, and I don't allow it to rule my life.

There isn't a topic brought up here that you don't relate to some philosophy or another, so it's nearly impossible to have a conversation with you that isn't intense.
#541 Apr 22 2009 at 11:23 AM Rating: Good
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He feels about religion how Usagi feels about bacon.
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#542 Apr 22 2009 at 11:26 AM Rating: Excellent
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Belkira the Tulip wrote:
Pensive the Ludicrous wrote:
manichees

Monchichis?

Manatees

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#543 Apr 22 2009 at 11:27 AM Rating: Decent
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Well, I am happy that you can control yourself. I don't exactly know how. It also doesn't help that I often simply don't participate in threads that are not debates of some kind. I'd love to but it's extremely hard for me to even have a normal conversation with someone in real life, much less the internet. IRL It's either videogames, academic matters, occasionally skiing, cats, or DnD. As a student it is easy to acclimate to that sort of conversation to where it consumes all of your thoughts. I can get jokes sometimes but hell internet is in text and I can't tell any inflection from it so it's even harder.

I understand your annoyance but I ask you to try to understand the psychology behind that particular habit of posting.

Good news?

Could change in a week actually. Started lithium on monday. In a week I might be so mellow that I'm.. well..

again, nothing witty coming to mind.

Edited, Apr 22nd 2009 3:29pm by Pensive
#544 Apr 22 2009 at 11:28 AM Rating: Decent
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Don't you have any passion or hobby about which you could just go on and on about forever were no one to stop you? That's a lot what it's like.


Nope.
#545 Apr 22 2009 at 11:30 AM Rating: Excellent
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Pensive wrote:
Could change in a week actually. Started lithium on monday.


Great, now I have that song in my head.

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#546 Apr 22 2009 at 11:33 AM Rating: Good
[quote=Pensive the LudicrousI understand your annoyance but I ask you to try to understand the psychology behind that particular habit of posting.[/quote]

Ok. I'll try to stop making friendly overtures and small talk. I'll just avoid your posts unless I feel like debating with you. However, knowing how you blow up and curse at people when they disagree with you... Well... Perhaps I'll just try to avoid all of your posts.
#547 Apr 22 2009 at 11:44 AM Rating: Good
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Belkira the Tulip wrote:
Pensive the Ludicrous wrote:
I understand your annoyance but I ask you to try to understand the psychology behind that particular habit of posting.


Ok. I'll try to stop making friendly overtures and small talk. I'll just avoid your posts unless I feel like debating with you. However, knowing how you blow up and curse at people when they disagree with you... Well... Perhaps I'll just try to avoid all of your posts.


I think Pensive feels bad that he gets overly emotional, not that you need to put up with his sh*t. He's just not good at expressing himself.

Edited, Apr 22nd 2009 3:44pm by Annabella
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#548 Apr 22 2009 at 11:46 AM Rating: Decent
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Ok. I'll try to stop making friendly overtures and small talk. I'll just avoid your posts unless I feel like debating with you. However, knowing how you blow up and curse at people when they disagree with you... Well... Perhaps I'll just try to avoid all of your posts.


You know, you often come across as extremely frigid in my opinion, but I still believe that you are a good hearted and enjoyable person with whom I like to talk on occasion. I actually LIKE you; it took a while to warm up, but you seem like a decent lady. I have been nothing to you but earnest and honest about my mind and thoughts, about which you truly seemed inquisitive and I earnestly attempted to explain them to you. If you do not feel like meeting me halfway on that, then I ain't taking the blame for what apparently is some major affront to you when someone doesn't recognize a joke.

I also believe that the only times I have blown up and cursed at people for disagreeing with me were during extremely painful periods in my life in which I should not have been posting at all. This is clearly not one of those times.

Now, if you want to talk about my supreme arrogance that feeds on itself as a debate continues, then that is another story. That arrogance is a defense mechanism for both admitting defeat as well as gaining power in terms of self image. Its presence is required to mask a terribly weak and fragile ego. Anyone should be able to see that. I don't know how to change it. Do you have a suggestion? Then by all means please do suggest.

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I think Pensive feels bad that he gets overly emotional, not that you need to put up with his sh*t. He's just not good at expressing himself.


I disagree. Read above.

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After rereading each post of mine in this thread that reached sub-defailt level, I could find not a single event of emotional outrage and the barest minimums of swearing occurring. I did find a large deal of smug satisfaction, which I have explained above. I stand by my original hypothesis that they were sub-defaulted for derailing a thread viciously and misunderstanding the context of the argument.

Do the same, present counterexamples, and I might take the claim that I get easily emotive and vulgar more seriously.

Edited, Apr 22nd 2009 3:56pm by Pensive
#549 Apr 22 2009 at 11:56 AM Rating: Good
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Ok, I stand corrected. I gave you too much credit, Pensive. You also sound all crazypants.

Edited, Apr 22nd 2009 3:57pm by Annabella
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#550 Apr 22 2009 at 11:56 AM Rating: Good
Pensive the Ludicrous wrote:
You know, you often come across as extremely frigid in my opinion, but I still believe that you are a good hearted and enjoyable person with whom I like to talk on occasion. I have been nothing to you but earnest and honest about my mind and thoughts, about which you truly seemed inquisitive and I earnestly attempted to explain them to you. If you do not feel like meeting me halfway on that, then I ain't taking the blame for what apparently is some major affront to you when someone doesn't recognize a joke.


I'm not sure why you think it's a "major affront." I'm not upset about it, I just don't feel like having to explain every joke I try to make with you. It makes me feel like I'm talking down to you when I know you're not stupid. I'm not trying to make you angry or upset, but if the only discussions you participate in are the ones that make you fly into one-track-mind mode where nothing else but serious discussion about that topic can possibly get through to you, I'm not sure what else to do. Smiley: frown

I'm also not sure it's considered "meeting you halfway" when you say, "I get in a one track mode when I discuss things I'm passionate about, and I don't really want to change that."
#551 Apr 22 2009 at 11:56 AM Rating: Decent
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Ok, I stand corrected. I gave you too much credit, Pensive. You also sound all crazypants.


No really, what the **** anna?

I gave as honest as possible introspective look at my posting behavior and have made no excuse for it whatsoever. My gaol is to get belkira to understand something, where in the **** do you get crazypants and malicious behavior out of that?

I wasn't upset or mad at belkira. I am now quite miffed at you.

Edited, Apr 22nd 2009 4:03pm by Pensive
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