Vermont Legislature Legalizes Gay MarriageFollow

Oh come on, you usually do better then that. Why don't you go back to your old shtick of horribly misinterpreting everything, rather then ignoring it and then insisting it isn't there. It's slightly more palatable.

And stop it with the "why not roomates then?" idiocy. They're not intended permanent relationships, so obviously wouldn't fit the role at all. I understand you love to use absurd unrealistic situations more then a stripper uses a pole, but seriously find a new one.

Summary of argument since you seem to be missing it.

We're saying stable households that will support each other are valuable to society. This is for a number of reasons such as remaining functional when one person has a crisis, so continuing to be stable and contributing to society, reducing population spread by combining into a single residence, and others that have been mentioned, although I know you're going to insist that they haven't. You're insisting that stable households do not contribute anything to society, and that they're not worth giving incentives for. The first point is absurd and laughable. Your second point is fine, this is a matter of opinion, and it would make sense that small government people wouldn't want to fund that. My only point is that using the current system, the incentives for marriage are really not about providing a stable place for kids, even if they once were, and so you need to either strip the benefits out of the system, or give them to gay marriage as well. There are a number of rights and responsibilities that are integrated into marriage that I feel are important, that have nothing to do with tax breaks etc, and that would be why I think that marriage needs to be accessible for gay relationships.

There's a lesbian couple right down the street from me with a little boy they adopted.

Increased amount of happiness among the populace comes to mind.




Exactly how much mroe would you end up paying? A couple bucks? Seriously, it won't impact you very much. Besides, as they do tend to help the people(when they're not being pocketed by crooked politicians or being used to fight a war), taxes are your friends.



No they can't, we've established this through the use of science and common sense.



Show me a law on the books that applies to your entire country. I'm pretty sure that there are a lot of places where gays can adopt.



I think everyone here pays their taxes Varrus. And I don't think they care about such a tiny amount being taken for this.

So how bout we discontinue tax benefits to straight families with children as well?FUck your taxes.

Edited, Apr 17th 2009 10:59am by AshOnMyTomatoes

Dammit Varrus, why the **** are you crying over a couple of ******* cents?

Ok, lets say the government cuts all taxes down as you far right pubbies seem to want them to, and as a result, has less money to throw at some things.

Who's paying for education then?

What about healthcare?

Or scientific research?

Military operations & research?

Do you see where I'm going with this?

Hell, let's assume for the moment that gay marriage didn't cost the taxpayer a dime (which it really doesn't, as far as I'm concerned). What would your objection be then?

He'd then start objecting for religious reasons or start talking about polls that he refuses to name or link to.

I'll gladly pay my taxes knowing that some of it goes to making sure that children have food on the table, a good education, and good healthcare.



Are we talking about paying the same percentage of tax or the same amount in dollars?

How do you know we didn't pay any taxes? Are you spying on our 1040s?

(I even started a thread over in the OOT griping about the fact that I owed an extra $45 on top of what was already taken out of my paycheck. But then, my county has the best damn roads in the state of Georgia, so I know that my local taxes at least are going where they're supposed to.)

Varrus earlier in the thread:
I can't find it now, but he also had a run of posts explaining that homosexuality wasn't an innate orientation, it was a deviant illness produced in a person by bad experiences happening to them in childhood, exactly like the orientation of pedophilia.

I've done this all over at length in other threads, probably with gbaji, with long, reasoned posts on morality, and extensive side-serves of the science of neurochemistry. At this point I INSIST on my right to use lolcats on Varrus.




Edited, Apr 17th 2009 12:55pm by Aripyanfar

You know what's a million times easier? Just call varrus a jackass and stop talking to him.

I feel really bad for every human being you've ever interacted with.